zealot vs fury wolf

[NitecryXI]

zealot vs fury wolf

I am working through my untwinked single player zealot now... he's lvl60 and is close to reaching the ancients. he has maxed fanaticism, zeal and sacrifice.

so far he's great... I mean he dies a couple of times here and there but that's because I'm careless and slow on drinking pots. with a small cresent in hand he's doing around 700-1k dmg with my might merc around... AR is around 3.5, max resist and around 500 defense (yeah I haven't really upgraded his armor much) ...

I started a fury wolf recently... just curious... how would I expect this fury wolf perform in pvm compare to the zealot? anything I gotta watch out for?
I plan to max werewolf, lycanthrophy, fury and oak...

many thx for the pointers!

 

[Crowd Control]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

I think both are very comparable characters. If you're looking for diversity I suggest you build something totally else. The Fury Druid is pretty goodt too, with higher life than the Zealot, but has some more troubles maxing resists. I think both would do well in PvM, but there are a couple of similarities between which might bore you later on.

 

[Trueblood]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

I think you should refer to the fury wolf guide. Most of them suggest only 1 point in Werewolf, and some point in summon tree.

 

[NitecryXI]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

yup I know they are similar builds... actually tats the type of character I like to build...

damage wise, how do they compare with each other? as I play single player untwinked, I guess its fine to use a 2h weapon for fury wolf... so logically my wolf should out-damage the zealot, correct?

what about survivability? the wolf has more life but zealot has more resist + block...

thx again for the advice!!!

 

[Crowd Control]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

Hard to tell. Zealers usually take a one-handed weapon with a shield, whereas Werewolf builds can go both ways (though most take two-handed weapons, I think). I'd say a Fury Wolf could therefore potentially output more damage, but the Zealer is a safer build imo.

 

[Phat Wolf]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

Fury wolves are waaaaaay more fun to play with imho It's more or less deciding whether you prefer life or defense. Damage wise I'm not sure if there's any huge differences between the two, wolves can do 2 handers like ribcrackers which might give them the edge but zealots have fanaticism, but then again I never played a zealot so I wouldn't know what their potential dmg could be.

 

[lAmebAdger]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

zealots can use two-handers too ya know-... actually more fun than "run-of-the-mill" guy with holy shield

 

[Crowd Control]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

I think there's even a nice, affordable build around that too: an Insight wielding, Shillelagh swinging Zealot. Decent damage too.

 

[NitecryXI]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

for fury wolf, how should I put my stats? the "enuff for equipment in strength and rest in vitality" doesn't fully apply cuz I play untwinked sp so I dun expect I'll get an enigma for strength boost nor ravenfrost for dex... thus can't calculate my stat depending on the gears I use...

for the luv of dmg, I will choose a 2h weapon. to fulfill the requirement, I should expect to have about 150 in dex, about 200 in strength and 150 in vitality... is that... odd?

sry... 1 more question... for uber trist fury wolf (which isn't me but just out of curiousity), how will the skill allocation be? max werewolf, lycantrophy, fury and what else? the oak sage n bear/wolf will die in a second in uber trist...

 

[Bladewind]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

If going pure fury.

Werewolf.
Lycan
Fury
Oak.


Get a 2 handed weapon for more brownie points in PvP. My fav is Eth Tomb Reaver with Zod and the best damage jewels you got. Ebotd GPA is quite nice as well for pvp.

For PvM, its the UPPED Ribcracker. A 300 ED one plus a nice fat Ed jewel will have higher average damage than your 400+ Ebotdz. You lose at most hundred on max damage but you gain another whopping 1k+ damage for your minimum damage. Not to mention you get 50% CB which is a nice bonus.

If you are doing shield + weapon, make sure you get a range 3 weapon. Ebotdz is the obvious favourite... Grief pb with Shield is alright but Fury can be interrupted if you get hit so I prefer range over greater damage.

 

[NitecryXI]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

as I play untwinked sp... I dun think I would be able to land any of those weapons you've mentioned... haha

for fury wolf, how should I put my stats? the "enuff for equipment in strength and rest in vitality" doesn't fully apply cuz I play untwinked sp so I dun expect I'll get an enigma for strength boost nor ravenfrost for dex... thus can't calculate my stat depending on the gears I use...

for the luv of dmg, I will choose a 2h weapon. to fulfill the requirement, I should expect to have about 150 in dex, about 200 in strength and 150 in vitality... is that... odd?

sry... 1 more question... for uber trist fury wolf (which isn't me but just out of curiousity), how will the skill allocation be? max werewolf, lycantrophy, fury and what else? the oak sage n bear/wolf will die in a second in uber trist...

wut about the stat?

 

[Bladewind]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

Why is Ribcracker unobtainable ? :/

It drops off NORMAL baal. I seen it and threw it away before (because I already had a 300% ED one). Just keep hammering norm baal till it pops or trade on the SP forums for a few pgems for it or heck, even free...

As for stats you will need at least 165 strength and 103 dex if you are intending to use Cryptic Axes. I don't usually consider other polearms to be equal (except maybe the GPA but it has lower average damage) in performance because they are usually too slow or have too short a range or very stat heavy (giant thresher !).


P.S. I would love an Eth Bonehew for a Fury Druid, if it only had greater range.....

 

[NitecryXI]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

yeah I'm assuming I won't be able to get the ribcracker in the drop... I usually just gamble or pick up my weapons... haha

w/o the dex, would my AR suffer? again, w/ untwinked sp play I kinda doubt I will get a pair of ravenfrost... should I keep my base strength around 160 str and 100 dex?

 

[Hrus]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

should I keep my base strength around 160 str and 100 dex?

You are kidding right? Keep your STR at 100 at maximum, don't put any points in DEX unless really needed or decided for a sword or polearm (non-dex 2h maces are usually better - Bonesnap, Steeldriver, IK Maul, Windhammer - all are very useful and quite common) and keep around 50stat points unspent.
Get your AR from the gear, especially charms, maybe angelic combo.

For untwinked play, you can still count on runewords. Insight is ridiculously cheap, so is Obedience (if you play RWM). But be warned, for decent speed, fury wolves need more IAS and they need it on a weapon, because wolf breakpoints are counted differently.

 

[NitecryXI]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

no I ain't kidding Hrus... remember I play SP untwinked so I can't expect to have all these items... I just use wut I find...

 

[Hrus]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

I played several characters untwinked and didn't exceed base 100 STR mark until lvl 80 or until I found a decent end-like weapon with higher requirements. That's why it's good to have some statpoints unspent. With DEX it depends on blocking... 160 is a lot and even untwinked you can get a lot of STR from gear (rare amus, rings, and belts...). 160base seems as huge overkill for me.

 

[NitecryXI]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

so for untwinked... can u recommend a stat allocation example for a smiter/zealot and fury wolf?

 

[lAmebAdger]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

a wee bit of overkill to me, i ususally have 130 or 140 depending on what stat-upping gear i find along the way, when i reach lvl 75... i play barbarians who wield heavy 2-handers, so i also pump dex much... i know the benefits of vitality, what with the barb bonus and BO and all, but i like to wear my heavy gear without relying on gear for stats

 

[Hrus]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

Zealot: 100 STR + 50 unspent + DEX to have around 70% block with holy shield and current shield.
Fury: 100 STR + 100 unspent + no DEX. When in hell and without a good weapon, I would probably aim for Thresher (Obedience, Insight).

That would be my own approach...

Or You can also aim for Insight shillelagh like it was already suggested with very low requirements.

 

[NitecryXI]

Re: zealot vs fury wolf

sorry to sound like a noob, but the more info I got, the more I'm confused... let say w/ no dex for wolf... how can u equip some of the better exceptional weapons?