Zealot question

Moar

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Zealot question

I'm about to start my first Paladin ever. After reading several build guides, I decided on the Zealot. The problem I have is that I don't have any of the recommended weapons (shaefer's, stormlash). What are other options?
I have read that the Crescent Moon runeword is a possibility. But in what weapon should I make it?
I'd be very greatful about other helpful advice as well.

Moar
 

Masas

Diabloii.Net Member
Moar said:
I'm about to start my first Paladin ever. After reading several build guides, I decided on the Zealot. The problem I have is that I don't have any of the recommended weapons (shaefer's, stormlash). What are other options?
I have read that the Crescent Moon runeword is a possibility. But in what weapon should I make it?
I'd be very greatful about other helpful advice as well.

Moar
Could you list 1 hand Elite Weapons that you have? Or just say what is affordable for you.
Here are some weapons I might suggest:
Cranebeak
Death Cleaver
Razor's Edge
Rune Master
Fleshripper
Baranar's Star
Horizon's Tornado
Nord's Tenderizer
Heaven's Light
Lightsabre
Azurewrath
2os Djinn Slayer
Frostwind
Lacerator

Now the really cheap options, that do quite well if upped:
Butcher's Pupil
Fleshrender with Shael
Coldsteel Eye
Headstriker with Shael
 

Chimaira

Diabloii.Net Member
There are lots of great zeal weapons...Basically all elite unique weapons would make decent zeal weapons, with a few exceptions of course.

Nord's Tenderizer, Baranar's Star, Heaven's Light, The Redeemer, Lightsabre.

A Berserker Axe is always a popular weapon to make runewords in...

Crushing Blow is your friend, it will really help your killing speed so get as much as you possibly can (Guillaume's Face, Gore Riders). Dracul's Grasp is an excellent glove for survivability (Life Tap). Also get your Attack Rating up to at least 75% chance to hit.
 

Rugruth

Diabloii.Net Member
CM on phase blade is good.

It's a little low raw damage weapon, but % to cast static will do a lot of damage on non-LI monsters.

Passion on a good base weapon can be a good starter too. Kingslayer is a very good rw if you have the runes. Maybe on a Berserker axe if you can find one with 4s.
 

steelsixtyIV

Diabloii.Net Member
Black runeword in a Tyrant Club is also another good choice. What you are looking for in a good Zeal weapon is speed and range. Zerker Axes, Scourges, and Phase Blades are all good choices for the Pally on a budget.
 

Moar

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Hmmm, not sure I know which of the elite unique weapons are one handed. Just checked my grail list and it looks quite dim.

I have: Nord's Tenderizer, Baranar's Star, Heaven's Light, The Redeemer, Lightsabre, Horizon's Tonado, Razor's Edge, Rune Master, Djinn Slayer

That's about it.
I could probably try to trade for something (due to Pindle's generosity earlier today), but I'm not sure I want to give up that item. :)

Moar

EDIT:
Just looked through my stash and this looks quite nice.
Heaven's Light
Mighty Scepter
One-Hand Damage: 155 to 201
Durability: 45 of 50
Required Dexterity: 65
Required Strength: 125
Required Level: 61
Mace Class - Fast Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 87
Fingerprint: 0xa35af1a
+288% Enhanced Damage
+3 to Paladin Skill Levels
+3 to Light Radius
20% Increased Attack Speed
-33% Target Defense
150% Damage to Undead
33% Chance of Crushing Blow
+19 Life after each Demon Kill
Socketed (2: 0 used)

Is it? and what should I socket it with?
 

supermatt

Diabloii.Net Member
Crescent Moon is also quite good on a Cryptic Sword cos they're pretty fast and will get better damage than a Phase Blade by a long way. you could also use a Scourge for Crescent Moon.

also, a Black Scourge is cool with 40% CB. that on top of Gore's will be sweet

:) matt
 

Masas

Diabloii.Net Member
Moar said:
Hmmm, not sure I know which of the elite unique weapons are one handed. Just checked my grail list and it looks quite dim.

I have: Nord's Tenderizer, Baranar's Star, Heaven's Light, The Redeemer, Lightsabre, Horizon's Tonado, Razor's Edge, Rune Master, Djinn Slayer

That's about it.
I could probably try to trade for something (due to Pindle's generosity earlier today), but I'm not sure I want to give up that item. :)

Moar

EDIT:
Just looked through my stash and this looks quite nice.
Heaven's Light
Mighty Scepter
One-Hand Damage: 155 to 201
Durability: 45 of 50
Required Dexterity: 65
Required Strength: 125
Required Level: 61
Mace Class - Fast Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 87
Fingerprint: 0xa35af1a
+288% Enhanced Damage
+3 to Paladin Skill Levels
+3 to Light Radius
20% Increased Attack Speed
-33% Target Defense
150% Damage to Undead
33% Chance of Crushing Blow
+19 Life after each Demon Kill
Socketed (2: 0 used)

Is it? and what should I socket it with?
It would be a very effective weapon. Stick a Shael + something to cover up whatever your lacking, or 2x Second modded IAS jewels.
 

Artea

Diabloii.Net Member
A weapon that should'nt be neglected is an upgraded Butcher's Pupil.

It proposed some excellent damage (from memory 140-230+ dmg without added ED% from Jewel/rune), 35%DS, indestructible.

Coupled with, Goreriders, Highlord's wrath & Guillaume's Face you look at a very nasty combo: 50% CB, 85+% DS, some OW.

The only drawback of the weapon is the amount of total IAS (85-90% depending of your fanatism level) to reach the 4FPA zeal BP.

One good equipement setup for a physical zealot might be:

Upg Butcher's Pupil with ED/IAS jewel
Guillaume's Face with IAS/something jewel
Highlord's wrath
Gorerider's
Nosferatu's Coil
Drakul Grasp

This provides: 50%CB, LL, CTC Life Tap, 85+% DS, good damage, OW, 90% IAS to reach 4FPA Zeal

Add to this: HoZ and your armor of choice. Packed your inventory with Sharp GC of something. And you have a nice package with a decent budget.
 

Masas

Diabloii.Net Member
Artea said:
A weapon that should'nt be neglected is an upgraded Butcher's Pupil.

It proposed some excellent damage (from memory 140-230+ dmg without added ED% from Jewel/rune), 35%DS, indestructible.

Coupled with, Goreriders, Highlord's wrath & Guillaume's Face you look at a very nasty combo: 50% CB, 85+% DS, some OW.

The only drawback of the weapon is the amount of total IAS (85-90% depending of your fanatism level) to reach the 4FPA zeal BP.

One good equipement setup for a physical zealot might be:

Upg Butcher's Pupil with ED/IAS jewel
Guillaume's Face with IAS/something jewel
Highlord's wrath
Gorerider's
Nosferatu's Coil
Drakul Grasp

This provides: 50%CB, LL, CTC Life Tap, 85+% DS, good damage, OW, 90% IAS to reach 4FPA Zeal

Add to this: HoZ and your armor of choice. Packed your inventory with Sharp GC of something. And you have a nice package with a decent budget.
It's pretty good, but there are 2 better elite axes - Razor's Edge and Deathcleaver. And Razor's Edge is probably cheaper than an Pul and a Lum rune.
EDIT: got pwned by Toppo.
 

Moar

Diabloii.Net Site Pal
Thanks to all for the input!
I understand a bit more now and he (Phillip, yeah I know, couldn't come up with anything better) is taking shape.
I will probably go with the Heaven's Light if I don't find a Stormlash.
And Guillaum's Face is out of question...the look does matter. :)
Thinking along the line of:

Heaven's Light
GA
Draculs
Nosfreatus Coil
Gorerider's
rare Circlet with Teleport and + skills (CoA later)
Hoz
Seraph's Hymn if enough resists
rings for resist

Not sure where that leaves me with resists,so maybe another circlet.
One last question if you don't mind :)
How much IAS do I need for the 4fps with the Szepter?
(He'll go untwinked through normal and NM as far as I can stand it)

Thanks all!
Moar
 

Toppo

Diabloii.Net Member
Masas said:
It's pretty good, but there are 2 better elite axes - Razor's Edge and Deathcleaver. And Razor's Edge is probably cheaper than an Um rune.
Better not waste your UMs upgrading weapons when you can do that with a Pul and a Lum :p

...

Zeal BPs with level 25 Fanat & Heaven's Light (Mighty Scepter +20% ias):

IAS - FPA
0 % - 6
6 % - 5
58 % - 4
 

NSXdreamer

Diabloii.Net Member
Didn't see you mention use of ravenfrost in your list. Don't forget to include CBF somewhere, as getting chilled is a pain in ass for zealot.
 

Hrus

Diabloii.Net Member
Also Highlord's wrath amulet is much better imho in terms of damage - deadly strike and IAS are more needed than +1 skills and defense aura skills.
 

Lucky_Seven

Diabloii.Net Member
Stonecrusher is a nice weapon but needs 120 IAS to hit 4 Frames, is a very good weapon for a zealot(if you don't have Stormlash or Shaeffers).

My Zealot uses one:D

Stonecrusher
Legendary Mallet
One-Hand Damage: (200-240) To (235.6-260.4) (217.8-250.2 Avg)
Required Level: 68
Required Strength: 189
Durability: 65
Base Weapon Speed: [20]
+280-320% Enhanced Damage (varies)
Damage +10-30
+50% Damage To Undead
-25% Target Defense
40% Chance of Crushing Blow
-100 To Monster Defense Per Hit
+20-30 To Strength (varies)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)
 

cft

Diabloii.Net Member
Many zealot builds assume you will attack FAST and a lot. This makes them ideal for weapons with chances to do something useful when you hit.

Crushing blow, in particular, is valued. Even with a low chance (~20%), you will swing 5 times per zeal, so you have a decent chance of activating crushing blow once per zeal. (sometimes more sometimes less)

If you are using skills which add lots of elemental damage, like holy shock or holy freeze, then your weapon damage may not be as important as the speed at which you can atk. For those builds, you want the fastest weapon you can get.

For other zealot builds you need to balance speed with weapon damage. Remember that speed will improve your overall damage per second, so you probably don't want a slow weapon no matter how much damage it does (also you would be zeal-locked a long time).

Some cheap items are:

Crushflange (unique normal mace with crushing blow effect) -- this is useful even in Hell vs Iron Maiden, since you won't kill yourself with it.

Rixot's Keen - also crushing blow on a low damage weapon

Blood Cresent - open wounds will prevent monsters from healing

Skewer of Krintiz - Ignores targets defense

I have a Holy Shock zealot using the Aldurs Rythm morning star, with 2 sheals in the sockets. Makes it pretty fast. And the damage isn't too bad either.

I can't advise you on uber items since I don't have any really high level pallys
 

Moar

Diabloii.Net Site Pal
Hrus said:
Also Highlord's wrath amulet is much better imho in terms of damage - deadly strike and IAS are more needed than +1 skills and defense aura skills.
I would use that if I could...Don't have it, but might try to trade for it.

Thanks all for the suggestions. I think I might give up the untwinked through normal/NM. It is quite slow and he's only just rescued Cain.

Moar
 
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