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Zealot and Crescent Moon

Discussion in 'Paladin' started by Lord Chaos, Feb 25, 2004.

  1. Lord Chaos

    Lord Chaos IncGamers Member

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    Zealot and Crescent Moon

    I am wanting to make a Crescent Moon for my paladin...what I need to know is what I need to socketed it in...it works in 3 socketed Aces/Swords/Polearms.

    Since I use a shield, polearms are out of the question...I need a 1 handed weapon with high damage and high speeds.
     
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    ian_linington IncGamers Member

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    Lord Chaos,

    I'm looking at doing this as well (got the runes just need the weapon), these are the best choices IMHO.

    Berserker Axe
    24-71 Dmg
    26 Durability
    Str Req: 138
    Dex Req: 59
    Clvl Req: 63
    D2X Sockets: 1-6
    Range: 3
    Dmg Bonus: 100 Str
    150% damage vs. Demons
    Weapon Speed: 0

    Phase Blade
    31-35 Dmg
    0 Dur (Indes)
    Str Req: 25
    Dex Req: 136
    Clvl Req: 55
    Sockets: 1-6
    Range: 2
    Dmg Bonus: 100 Str
    Weapon Speed: -30

    At the moment I am looking for a 3 soc Phase Blade.... got lower dmg but swings faster and should hit 4fps easier.

    Edit : That and it's indestructable and so no repair costs !

    Cheers

    Ian L.
     
  3. Lord Chaos

    Lord Chaos IncGamers Member

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    I still don't get it about those breakpoints...is that really so important?...and what about with fanatism and other IAS things?

    Crescent moon also gives 20% IAS in itself.
     
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    vorlon98 IncGamers Member

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    my crecent is in a phase blade and it is very fast,damage isnt as high as BA but looks better and speed and static make up for any tiny extra damage BA might have.plus as previous poster said is indestructible.
     
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    u need 75% IAS total for phase blade to hit 4 fps, it swings at 5 fps naturally with Zeal.

    The Zerker needs 60% IAS total to swing at 5 fps, swinging at 4 fps is a lost cause.
     
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    ian_linington IncGamers Member

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    Acording to IAS Zeal table found in the FAQ

    with zeal and fanat. the IAS breakpoints are

    Axe (base speed 0)
    0% - 6 fps
    20% - 5 fps
    65% - 4fps

    Phaseblade (base speed -30)
    0% - 5 fps
    15% - 4fps

    As cresent moon gives 20% IAS the phaseblade will automatically hit 4fps.

    If I'm wrong plz lmk.

    Cheers

    Ian L.
     
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    Evanta IncGamers Member

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    you are correct. My zeal breakpoints do not factor fanatism in, since Tesladins get greater mileage out of Cresent moon than Fana Zealots, and the poster never specified wat build he is using.
     
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    D2XNewbie IncGamers Member

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    Going from a 5 frame/attack breakpoint to the 4 frame/attack breakpoint is a pretty big deal. You'll be taking 80% of the time to complete an attack so your damage output will be about 25% increased. Yeah, it's a big deal.
     
  9. ian_linington

    ian_linington IncGamers Member

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    Mmmmmm

    been doing some quick calcs and even with the extra attacks that the 4fps gives you on the Phaseblade the Zerker Axe seems to do more damage on average but I still like the look of the phaseblade...

    The quest for a 3 soc version continues in Europe !

    Regards

    Ian L.

    P.S. Evanta, clue was in the subject name :innocent:

    PPS

    Details
    Base + (220%-260%) (Cresent moon ED%) + 373% (fanat)

    Gives
    Axe - 197-583 to 233-689
    Sword - 254-287 to 301-339

    Axe @ 5fps (5 att per sec) = 985-2913 to 1164-3443
    Swd @ 4fps (6.2 att per sec) = 1577-1781 to 1864-2104

    averages at
    Axe 1949 to 2303
    Swd 1679 to 1984

    depending on your luck with making the runeword.

    (I hope my numbers are right!)

    Cheers

    Ian L.
     
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    iceball_aarf IncGamers Member

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    Fanat and other bonusses like ED on armor or strength is multiplied, not added, by the weapon dmg...

    (weapon dmg)= (base)*(1+weapon ed%/100)
    dmg= weapon dmg * (1 + fanat/100 + strbonus /100 + armor ed%/100)
     
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    That's better, thought the damage was a little low.

    (assuming str of 100, fanat=373% and no other ED%)

    Swd ave dam 3097-3484
    Axe ave dam 3595-4044

    Looks to be about an ave of 500 points damage diff between the two over 1 sec, but I'm sure if you factor in the "on striking" happening more often the phase would come out ahead.

    Now my brain hurts! :drool:

    Cheers

    Ian L.
     
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    Something weird happened to me when i made my phase blade crecent moon.
    I checked on diabloii.net that crecent moon rune words varies in ed from 220-260. My crecent moon phase blade was 183%.
    Can anyone tell me how this happened?
     
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    Weltkriegpally IncGamers Member

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    you might want to check the arreat summit for stuff like that. I have found many of the percents to be wrong on diabloii.net.

    --welt
     
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    I don't get it...how can a single frame take off 80% of the time?

    And doesn't Zeal take the same time to complete, or am I missing something here?
     
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    Btw, is this a viable Merc runeword?
     
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    Im surprised nobody has mentioned a cryptic sword yet. All it would take is 25 outside ias to get it to 4fps with fana, and the damage is much better on the high end than a phase. The zerker has it beat on average dmg, but the cryptic is faster, plus pallys look better with swords anyway.
     
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    crescent moon in a cryptic sword=20k in repair costs. and a zealist will be repairing frequently. I finally got ahold of a botd for my pally, and I still keep my phase crescent moon in my inventory for when I run into annoying little critters.
     
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    oops... :p


    Think I like it this way, makes equipment choices not all that obvious. :)
     
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    on zealot w/ fanat when they both reach 4 then they BA is much better but when you dont have fanat (telsadin) go with phase
     
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    very true, i was on the verge of wastin my um rune inside a phase blade for CM but i thought better of it when i found i coulnd't hit 4 frames unless i threw on 5% more ias, and with the gear that i was solidly set on useing, there was no way i could get it, now my pvp tesladin does great!!
     

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