Your Hardcore Magic-Finding character of choice?

[xperii]

Your Hardcore Magic-Finding character of choice?

What character class is your main hardcore mf'er?

 

[TouchOfInsanity]

If I were to switch to Hardcore I'd either use a Druid or a Necro.

 

[WingBlade]

it all depends where u want 2 MF....

 

[MoUsE_WiZ]

Character class? That's a silly question.

Better: which sorc is best to mf with? ^^

 

[Lord Penguin]

Eh sorcs are kinda boring since you have to play defencivly if you want to live. Some people prefer other chars. Assasin does well and is safe... can take a decent hit if built properly.

Personally i dont mf at all. I just play... sometimes i do runs like pits andy shenk etc but i dont pay attn to the mf i have on or go for speed boss runs. I find that very boring and since so many people do it, i can get better trades for stuff that cant be found efficiently through boss mfing(jewels, slotables, rare/magics).

Id go with the assasin though.

 

[Lord Penguin]

@@ when i casted my vote in the poll it took me to an old post about jug finding a rune with a bot -.-.

 

[MoUsE_WiZ]

Eh sorcs are kinda boring since you have to play defencivly if you want to live.

O_O
That's crazy talk.
Porting around blindly is probably the least defensive action that exists in the game. And then when you get to wherever you're going you also pack the biggest punch in the game.
Where does the defensive part come in? O_O

Assasin does well and is safe... can take a decent hit if built properly.

That it does.
It can do very fast CS clears in SP games. Runs E/S/P like a pro. Can baal walk, though not as well as a necro.

It's not a bad mfer.

However any of the above will not get you rich anywhere near as fast as mephing. Period. At this point in the season, where SS can fetch Vex, there is VERY little that'll beat 1 minute&faster meph runs in efficiency. And none of those things that beat mephing are things that aren't other sorcs (eg forge rushes&port for drops in 2 minute baals).

i can get better trades for stuff that cant be found efficiently through boss mfing(jewels, slotables, rare/magics).

Later on, yes.
Right now, no.
Right now there still aren't THAT many people doing meph obsessively, and stuff that'll be worth a pul 3 months from now is fetching Mal-Ist depending on how hard you look.

Right now if you REALLY don't want to play a sorc, but you also REALLY want to get rich (I'm aware this isn't you, but to anyone else) the best option is the smiter... unid annis trade well, and if you can get key sets even crappy torches are going for a pretty penny right now too. This is because, as you said, you can't get these things doing (conventional) boss runs and everyone needs them.

Infact, a smiter possibly does better than a sorc, but the only thing is it kind of requires something to get the keys with, and to get to the generals with, and that something is - again - ideally a sorc.

I don't disagree with making an assassin to mf with, but if somebody wants to get as rich as possible in the least time possible, and is capable of playing a sorc without dying, it is THE way to go.

 

[Nilaripper]

Sorceress for andy+meff+keyruns.Goldfindbarb for NM trav and later Hell Trav.Fury-amazon/strafer hybrid for fast pitruns.

 

[squiggle]

Strafer, Always start hc again with one. Very easy + cheap + safe.


Just found a tals armour in pits with 13 mf And a 7 mf/ 3 max/ 13 ar sc


Mate made a nice Boner this ladder. Most self found gear and mfs hell nice.

 

[Lord Penguin]

O_O
That's crazy talk.
Porting around blindly is probably the least defensive action that exists in the game. And then when you get to wherever you're going you also pack the biggest punch in the game.
Where does the defensive part come in? O_O

Sigh here we go again. Porting around blindly is the reason why 90% of the people i see playing as a ghost are sorcs. Porting around blindly is not proper play and will get you killed. I meant playing properly... and if youd like to stay alive as a sorc, you should play defensively as do some of the sorcs i know(that go many months in a season and never/rarely die). I thought that would be clear with the "if you want to live" part but i guess not. *roll eye*

However any of the above will not get you rich anywhere near as fast as mephing. Period. At this point in the season, where SS can fetch Vex, there is VERY little that'll beat 1 minute&faster meph runs in efficiency. And none of those things that beat mephing are things that aren't other sorcs (eg forge rushes&port for drops in 2 minute baals).

While you may be able to get "rich" by mephing, theres only so many hours in a day. I play this game to have some fun as most do and making a char thats a blast to play(and is efficient enough that you can always find stuff while playing normally) is much better on a fun/wealth ratio. In the end a meph runner is not only competeing with thousands of others doing exactly the same thing, but also with bots... whom might i add are almost always more efficient at the job(mfing in general.... dont go into the debate about how bots cant do meph.. there are others they can do, and the repetitions more than make up for a bit higher chance at drops). I on the other hand, sell my wares to those "rich" mfers/botters/(and later)dupers for ungodly prices(compared to what the item actually is and how i found it) while still having made no sacrifice in entertainment level.

Right now if you REALLY don't want to play a sorc, but you also REALLY want to get rich (I'm aware this isn't you, but to anyone else) the best option is the smiter... unid annis trade well, and if you can get key sets even crappy torches are going for a pretty penny right now too. This is because, as you said, you can't get these things doing (conventional) boss runs and everyone needs them.

Infact, a smiter possibly does better than a sorc, but the only thing is it kind of requires something to get the keys with, and to get to the generals with, and that something is - again - ideally a sorc.

I don't disagree with making an assassin to mf with, but if somebody wants to get as rich as possible in the least time possible, and is capable of playing a sorc without dying, it is THE way to go.

Torch and anni hunting is a good(fun) way to get some wealth but its alot more fun if you dont do the cookie cutter builds. There are alot more chars that can kill Udiablo and Utrist than just a smiter... hell any paladin with 1 point in smite can do it.. but i prefer to take other chars in. Just get sufficient crushing blow/ar and a way to handle the conviction(fade(treachery)/higher lvl convic to cancel his) and probly a life tap wand then you could do it with other chars... A few different druids, Kicker assasins, Frenzy barb, etc.. lot of cool builds can do them.

Im not anti sorc its just that i hate to promote the most cookie cutter stuff.. and through my playing over the years i find that the cookie cutters are not always the most efficient and definitly not the most fun... but just the easiest.

More on topic:

If you can put together ik set a ww ik barb mfs damn well.

 

[Socialism]

Sigh here we go again. Porting around blindly is the reason why 90% of the people i see playing as a ghost are sorcs. Porting around blindly is not proper play and will get you killed. I meant playing properly... and if youd like to stay alive as a sorc, you should play defensively as do some of the sorcs i know(that go many months in a season and never/rarely die). I thought that would be clear with the "if you want to live" part but i guess not. *roll eye*

Haha, that's so wrong on so many levels.

Who do you play with?

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=557123 <-- now everyone can teleport blindly.

 

[Lord Penguin]

Great guide.. im not all the way through it but it contains alot of little tricks that add up big time over time... most of the people ive seen making "mf" sorcs wont go that extra mile and put more than 1 in teleport or think of anything other than insight/infinity as a mercstick. Also alot of the other sorc builds wont allow for some of those defensive modifications without gimping damage a bit(which prohibits some people from getting those def mods but no blind teleing+dieing+crying about it).

I suppose anyone who follows that guide or moreso some of those tricks is exempt to what i said and may survive repetetive hell mfing forever but, still HC is meant for defensive play if you want to live(to an extent...) and instantly moving into a possible bosspack(with crazy mods) with quite possibly the char LEAST able to take a hit(debatable but definitly close) is not in your best intrest.

Im not trying to be an ***.. excuse if i came off that way. Mouse and I had a similar arguement before.

 

[MoUsE_WiZ]

I suppose anyone who follows that guide or moreso some of those tricks is exempt to what i said

Good.
Then we agree.
Because that guide follows my build very closesly.
I don't die to monsters with sorcs. Period.
My play style is not anything that resembles defensive. Period.

still HC is meant for defensive play if you want to live

Build defensively to play offensively imo.
Doing it backwards is why I always die with javazons... charged strike is just FASTER at killing pesky FE monsters in nm >.>

instantly moving into a possible bosspack(with crazy mods) with quite possibly the char LEAST able to take a hit(debatable but definitly close) is not in your best intrest

Those boss packs don't exist on meph runs.
On baal runs, if you've got the gear, the sorc can will and has taken those hits.
The thing is, you need to take something like 12k pysichal damage to kill a geared sorc. ~1500 life*4 from ES *2 from DR. That doesn't factor in block. And if you don't take that instantly you'll already be through the pack due to your 1-4 mana port and your high FHR. Elemental damage won't cut it because a geared sorc should have the stacked resists to negate LR and conviction combined. Porting without gear with that build works fine too if you're not incredibly unlucky, and you're not incredibly obsessive... you'll die doing it, but probably not for hundreds of runs and quite possibly thousands, and by that point you'd have gear.

I've done a lot of baals, if you can think of a combination I've probably seen it, and seen an orb/tk sorc giggle at it.

Mouse and I had a similar arguement before.

No, our arguement was about the fact that you think that outside bo!=hc for god only knows what reason.

I play this game to have some fun as most do and making a char thats a blast to play(and is efficient enough that you can always find stuff while playing normally) is much better on a fun/wealth ratio.

I don't disagree there either.
However you must note that:
-Sorcs can be a blast to play
-To a large chunk of people, MFing *IS* what is fun

I'm aware that not all people fit either of those points, especially the second one, but in regards to the second one this thread IS about what you MF with, not what you generally find items with in the process of playing.

a lot of stuff that I'm aware of, most of which I agree with, in regards to mfing, ubers, and general play

Yes.
As mentioned, I don't disagree with you.
I don't dislike assassins either, I had one that was VERY close to 97 in season one (dueling death), as well as a 92 and an 89 since then (both retired, stripped, suicided).

However the bottom line is that this is a thread about MFing classes, and so far as MFing goes nothing competes with a sorc (except, as mentioned, torch/anni farming, which is generally done with help from a sorc anyways), not until enigmas start popping, and the economy gets overrun by botted items (which it most definitely is not at this point).