You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was? der=0

[Ash Housewares]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

You cite the '89 Batman, and say that you're awaiting Watchmen, yet say "no"? :whistling:

this post of yours is meaningless

but if you seek clarity, since I respond to things without quoting them

I still like '89 Batman best of Batman movies

as far as Dark Knight being the comic movie that really impresses a larger audience, it was nothing special, and I'm hoping Watchmen succeeds there

 

[KremBanan]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

Jack Nicholson's reaction to Heath Ledger's performance

 

[Knarlfist]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

There are actual reasons for his voice change that fit within the character's universe. The first that comes to mind is that Bruce Wayne is a high profile person in Gotham City, and by changing his voice, he protects his anonymity.

At least someone in this forum gets it.


Remember when we was all youngin's, and every time we'd see some superhero like Batman or Spiderman and we'd be all like "This is retarded, how can she NOT see or hear that it's Bruce Wayne in a costume?" So.... the makers of this movie put a little thought into it, and decided to go another way. Just goes to show that some people will complain about anything - I myself thought the guttural voice worked just fine for a person obviously intent on disguising himself.

And wow.... the person mentioning crap movies like the original Batmans Spiderman etc, as best movies or better than Dark Knight. Any movie enthusiast would agree Dark Knight wasn't perfect and had flaws, but sorry man... those older superhero movies you mentioned are worthless. Spiderman sucked, and 2 was so bad I just turned it off.



p.s. (small observation about the American Psycho reference someone made. While I was watching the sparring scene in Equilibrium, I was waiting for Bale to bend over Taye like it was prison, and then look for the closest camera and start posing his guns :O He's a great actor, and I've loved every one of his movies, but his character in that movie is so memorable that it becomes hard to visualize him in other roles.)

 

[Knarlfist]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

I'm sure The Dark Knight broke some records as well,

Not really disagreeing with anything said, especially since enjoyment of a movie is mostly a matter of personal opinion.....


But that quote right there had to be THE understatement of the century. It didn't just set some obscure total for Best Opening on a First Friday of the Month Among Viewers That Bought More Hot Tamales Than Popcorn. You can of course argue that total box office would have been lower w/o Heath's death, but many many people, including me.... were awaiting the release from the moment we left the theater from Batman Begins - way before any hype from his death.
http://www.movieweb.com/movies/boxoffice/alltime.php

 

[AeroJonesy]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

This just in:
Eddie Murphy is the new Riddler
Shia LeBeouf will be Robin

All I can say is "WTF?"

 

[Tanooki]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

You failed to mention your "rumor" originated from The Sun.

 

[jmervyn]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

Conflating 'most popular' with 'best' ftl. Citizen Kane barely broke even at the box office.

My point (which apparently continues to elude both you and Ash) being that older remains better despite the respective volume of dross. IMO Hollywierd is artistically bankrupt at this point... I watched "3:10 to Yuma", claimed as the greatest Western since "Unforgiven", and it was fairly lame. And that was <with> Batman, Maximus, Wash, <and> Mephistopheles (plus Gretchen Mol). Star power & explosions don't make good movies, and the industry has become completely risk-adverse.

{P.S. I bet Murphy will make a <great> Riddler.}

 

[stillman]

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^Totally agree.

1989 Batman is the sole reason the crappy sequals sold at all. Without 1989 Batman, The Dark Knight would just have small audience numbers because Batman movies suck without the greatness of the first one. Idk why people put down Jack Nicholson's appearance, like in the link above comparing the 2 jokers. For 1989, it was a masterpiece. Of course it looks lame today because styles are different. You can't say Mona Lisa is lame because she doesn't wear tube top. Those were different times.

You Dark Knight fans are basiacally saying PokeMan is more important than Dungeons and Dragons.

Popularity and sales don't matter. It's all about the art and quality.

 

[Kaysaar]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

1989 Batman is the sole reason the crappy sequals sold at all. Without 1989 Batman, The Dark Knight would just have small audience numbers because Batman movies suck without the greatness of the first one. Idk why people put down Jack Nicholson's appearance, like in the link above comparing the 2 jokers. For 1989, it was a masterpiece. Of course it looks lame today because styles are different. You can't say Mona Lisa is lame because she doesn't wear tube top. Those were different times.

You Dark Knight fans are basiacally saying PokeMan is more important than Dungeons and Dragons.

Popularity and sales don't matter. It's all about the art and quality.

Many people don't feel that the Jack Nicholson interpretation of the Joker is better or worse than Heath Ledger's - it's simply different. Nicholson's is more comedic psychotic than overtly deranged psychotic. Ledger's performance played more on the people's fears of the truly deranged. For people who fear clowns, Nicholson's version is absolutely terrifying, and brilliant. But for those who fear the worst aspects of human nature, which Ledger brings out in his depiction, it's a far stronger character.

Insofar as Pokemon vs. DnD - one opened the floodgates for a new market for children's ... everything... and brought in a million spin offs. DnD opened the market in a similar way to fantasy/Roleplay fans, and spawned an equal number of spin offs. Fairly similar no?

 

[jmervyn]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

Insofar as Pokemon vs. DnD - one opened the floodgates for a new market for children's ... everything... and brought in a million spin offs. DnD opened the market in a similar way to fantasy/Roleplay fans, and spawned an equal number of spin offs. Fairly similar no?

"No", to quote Ash.

DnD was symptomatic of the 60's obsessive fascination with LotR but brought it into the mainstream culture. Pokemon, like Power Rangers, indicated a new intensity of marketing push through the use of cheap cartoon animation, and not much else.

Having the benefit of perspective over a greater span of time, I don't see Pokemon as anything worthwhile - because I remember all the GI Joe (the real ones, not that stupid Cobra stuff) accoutrement that was marketed to my age group. And now my son has bought a bottle of WebKinz perfume simply to get the unlock code - he doesn't even care to make the empty gesture of giving the real item to Mom as a Christmas present.

 

[Kaysaar]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

Having the benefit of perspective over a greater span of time, I don't see Pokemon as anything worthwhile - because I remember all the GI Joe (the real ones, not that stupid Cobra stuff) accoutrement that was marketed to my age group. And now my son has bought a bottle of WebKinz perfume simply to get the unlock code - he doesn't even care to make the empty gesture of giving the real item to Mom as a Christmas present.

Fair enough - I lack the benefit of prolonged perspective on the matter, as (I'd imagine that) having children forces you to revisit those trends.

 

[Ash Housewares]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

I watched "3:10 to Yuma", claimed as the greatest Western since "Unforgiven", and it was fairly lame.

they would throw a remake at you and claim it to be "great"

 

[AeroJonesy]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

1989 Batman is the sole reason the crappy sequals sold at all.

Gotta love that logic. "I think the new movie is crappy. I think the movie I like is good." Therefore, people must only go see the crappy movie because of the movie I like.

 

[Knarlfist]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

Gotta love that logic.

I gotta agree 100%.


I absolutely hated Batman. And Superman. And Spiderman.


I gave Batman Begins a chance, because I'd seen a few movies with Bale that I really liked (especially Empire of the Sun, and American Psycho). I may not be representative of the entire audience that saw it, but I DO represent a part of it at least.

I judged it good, and it's sequel, on it's own merits. Not because it rode the back of the original Batmans. QUALIFIER: I am not judging Jack's performance of Joker. He is a damn good actor, that is not even in question. But imo it wasn't enough to save that 1st movie.

 

[jmervyn]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

they would throw a remake at you and claim it to be "great"

But that's all they ever <do> nowadays. You're just seemingly too young to have realized it (doubtless having not grown up in a world where "The Brady Bunch" and "The Hulk" weren't movies, and "Spiderman" was on Saturday morning cartoons.

 

[Ash Housewares]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

But that's all they ever <do> nowadays. You're just seemingly too young to have realized it (doubtless having not grown up in a world where "The Brady Bunch" and "The Hulk" weren't movies, and "Spiderman" was on Saturday morning cartoons.

zzzzzz I know you have alot of time to waste trolling, but you needn't troll me when we agree

I say its typical of them to release some crappy remake, you say the same thing, and insult me, get a new hobby

 

[stillman]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

It's so true:

King Kong, Godzilla, Superman Returns, The Hulk, Hulk (sigh) Batman Begins (where we should just pretend the 1989 Batman never happened), Lord of the Rings, that new Inspecter Cluso Pink Panther one with Steve Martin.

Hollywood is just squeezing every last buck out of these old stories for which there were already movies. Why can't they write some damn new stories with all that money they have?

 

[jmervyn]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

zzzzzz I know you have alot of time to waste trolling, but you needn't troll me when we agree

I say its typical of them to release some crappy remake, you say the same thing, and insult me, get a new hobby

Seemed like you were the one being rude (post 58 and 61) while taking a position contrary to mine. And calling you young & inexperienced isn't an insult - unless you're trying to take on an air of sophistication.

If neither is relevant, then I'll drop it.

 

[AeroJonesy]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

There aren't that many tyes of stories to begin with. The basic ideas are just recycled.

 

[Croup]

Re: You know what the only good thing about The Dark Knight was?

It's so true:

King Kong, Godzilla, Superman Returns, The Hulk, Hulk (sigh) Batman Begins (where we should just pretend the 1989 Batman never happened), Lord of the Rings, that new Inspecter Cluso Pink Panther one with Steve Martin.

Hollywood is just squeezing every last buck out of these old stories for which there were already movies. Why can't they write some damn new stories with all that money they have?

Seriously?

I just don't understand why this is something worth complaining about. Ok, there are movies being remade and maybe they're not good.

So what? Go watch any of the hundreds of original movies that get made every year. There were some damn good ones this year too, and in the past couple of years. Why complain when there's plenty to choose from?