WW vs Frenzy

Windu102

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WW vs Frenzy

In terms of kill rate / survivability / fun / soloability in hell / damage etc..

Is it the WW or the Frenzy barb that gets your vote...
 

arbing

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Windu102 said:
In terms of kill rate / survivability / fun / soloability in hell / damage etc..

Is it the WW or the Frenzy barb that gets your vote...
both are great skill for pvm and both can solo pretty well if you got decent equipment, but imo i think frenzy is more fun tho......... because you get to see yourself speeding up as you kill things :D
 

Ash Housewares

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frenzy has better survivability IMHO, it's more fun, and you can mix auras and do alot of damage fast while casting amp dmg/life tap/static field etc.
 
Windu102 said:
In terms of kill rate / survivability / fun / soloability in hell / damage etc..

Is it the WW or the Frenzy barb that gets your vote...

Well, I think frenzy is more fun, but WW is more effective, for PVM, but for PVP of course frenzy is not even a match for WW.
 

Taz

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Ash Housewares said:
frenzy has better survivability IMHO, it's more fun, and you can mix auras and do alot of damage fast while casting amp dmg/life tap/static field etc.
I haven`t played a pvm frenzy-er tuned for best performance, however this ladder i`ve made a pvm ww-er purely designed to make the most of it in pvm. It`s a long time since i haven`t made such a char (no mf/no pvp but purely pvm) and i`m really enjoing how he rips through things. He is a killing machine comparable with ANY other char in killrate over time. His dmg with might merc and venom on from grief is 9k/5k (grief/beast). This, along with the trio (DS, CB, OW) that makes the "salt and pepper" of the melee class make him comparable with any other char. He has: 68/52% DS, 25/45% CB, 10/35% OW and as soon as i`ll get my hands on an anni i`ll replace the Arreat for Guillaume`s Face.
So far i`d say a ww-er has an edge over a similar frenzy-er in killrate, but, as i`ve said i`ve never played a high end frenzy-er, and my guess is the gap may be closed by ctc things that work with frenzy.
 

Diehard

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Taz said:
my guess is the gap may be closed by ctc things that work with frenzy.
You are correct. Static field + crushing blow in particular is a punishing combination.

Whirlwind can be very effective with the right gear, but Frenzy has a lot more flexibility. All sorts of interesting combinations of weapons and effects are possible. I'd say pure killing speed is a bit of a toss up between the two attacks, but I'd give Frenzy the survivability nod simply because it works so well with Warcry.

Of course, the *real* reason I vote for Frenzy is simply to satisfy my inner speed junkie. Ripping around the map at hyperspeed, cutting down enemies with flurries of ultrafast strikes... damn, that's entertainment! ;)
 

IN_FLAMES

Banned
WW is more effective, but frenzy is mad fun. I'd reccomend making a Frenzy barb, it's just too fun. Its like giving your barb an injection of Speed in the middle of a fight :thumbsup:
 

NefariousNothing

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I'm not sure I'd say WW is more effective, but it -can- be fun..

But, nowhere near as much fun as ripping around with Frenzy. Especially if you've got an A1 merc with Harmony on. :thumbsup:
 

Omikron8

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Whirlwind is obscenly more equipment/weapon dependent than frenzy due to the pathetic damage bonus of whirlwind and its heavy dependance on leech+weapon IAS.
 

Decebal

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Both WW and Frenzy builds have their advantages and disadvantages imo!

Frezy barb is fun! But when using normal elite items (superior even worse) when making RW such as Beast, Grief and Doom (Berzerker axes) i cursed that build cause of the weapon repair costs! After 1,5 - 2 baalruns I have to repair my wepons which costs me around 1 milion gold. :mad: Sure u can run around with orts in your stash to repair the weapons...or gather items sell them for gold and repair your items = TIME CONSUMING...But as long as the weapons have durability is sure fun! :D

I seems like i have to try uther builds with weapons that dont loose durability. I see here there are some choices:

1 - Dual EBOTD CB
2 - Dual EBOTD BA
3 - Dual GRIEF PB (high dex reqs)

I have no idea if other runewords such as Death and Oath might be other choices as well. But if u want High End items and no repair costs the abocve 3 choices are not so bad imo... :D

/Dec
 

LorveN

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Its better to mix weapons imo, so you can benefit from different bonuses/auras or whatever.
Frenzy is much funnier than ww, but trickier to play too. A good frenzybarb needs to take good use of the warcry tree too, compared to a ww-barb that just holds down the mousebutton and whirls all over.
 

Ash Housewares

Diabloii.Net Member
Decebal said:
Both WW and Frenzy builds have their advantages and disadvantages imo!

Frezy barb is fun! But when using normal elite items (superior even worse) when making RW such as Beast, Grief and Doom (Berzerker axes) i cursed that build cause of the weapon repair costs! After 1,5 - 2 baalruns I have to repair my wepons which costs me around 1 milion gold. :mad: Sure u can run around with orts in your stash to repair the weapons...or gather items sell them for gold and repair your items = TIME CONSUMING...But as long as the weapons have durability is sure fun! :D

I seems like i have to try uther builds with weapons that dont loose durability. I see here there are some choices:

1 - Dual EBOTD CB
2 - Dual EBOTD BA
3 - Dual GRIEF PB (high dex reqs)

I have no idea if other runewords such as Death and Oath might be other choices as well. But if u want High End items and no repair costs the abocve 3 choices are not so bad imo... :D

/Dec

any kind of phase blade works well
no durability = happy ash
(maybe that's why I like Magic Arrow :lol: )

crescent moon phase is pretty handy
 

Decebal

Diabloii.Net Member
Ash Housewares said:
any kind of phase blade works well
no durability = happy ash
(maybe that's why I like Magic Arrow :lol: )

crescent moon phase is pretty handy
Yeah but you got to have nice on those PB as well! :p

I cant imagine playing with dual lightsabres....thats a Sith weapon or jedi if u prefer the "lighter" side of the force :D

Grief PB, Azurewraths, Crescent moon are all nice...Especially Grief


/Dec
 

Generator Of Chaos

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rikstaker said:
No comments.

*Goes back to spam OTF into oblivion.*

Rik
spam in a can...oO;

wichever way you go, my weapon sugestion would be Botd cb + Grief phase.... Venom, - 50% target def, +30 stats, -xx enemy poison resist, deadly strike, huge mana and life leech.... there's just no contest..
 

dkay

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problem with frenzy is that its interruptable. but other than that.. its wayyyyyyyyyy more fun than whirling.
 

Aucon

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Diehard said:
Of course, the *real* reason I vote for Frenzy is simply to satisfy my inner speed junkie. Ripping around the map at hyperspeed, cutting down enemies with flurries of ultrafast strikes... damn, that's entertainment! ;)
I have to agree. I was talking to a co-worker about D2, he about his WW Barb and me about my Frenzy Barb. He was really bragging about his char until I told him my Frenzy (with Arreats, Skulders, GOOD blood gloves, skillers and BC) was 29 he just kind of lost steam. lol

Yes Ash, that is true. You made an excellent guide!
 

skatar

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Windu102 said:
In terms of kill rate / survivability / fun / soloability in hell / damage etc..

Is it the WW or the Frenzy barb that gets your vote...
I have a L91 barb with an EBOTD 415/15 thundermaul and its not bad
with ww
but my other L91 barb on twin EBOTD 411/15 + 414/15 runs on full
frenzy synergy and sings (no zerk or ww needed)
I prefer this one better , I was using an archon fort
(but damn if u run out of rals) , so I got a levi 50/25(shaeled)
with Pdraculs and Pverdungo , arreats with 40ed/18life , metal grid and a duel
leech ring with a raven . He's got on no anni or any charms and no merc
and still runs around while everyone else gets slaughtered by souls
and frenzytaurs and what not , the only thing I watch out for is Iron Maiden ,
but twin shaeled azures take care of the undead . The best thing is the speed , u can walk away fast enough not to need a run penalty and get it in the back , or keep up with tele sorcs . Yup I love frenzy :) .
 
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