WW sin setup, this decent?

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WW sin setup, this decent?

Hey, just needed help on making my ww assassin, finally decided to make one.. Any help is appreciated, does this setup look ok?

Guillaum's with psn facet (not sure here, was wondering if the ds/cb would help, and i'm not gonna use a coa, don't have the funds :S)
Chaos, not sure what claw to make it in, suggestions are welcome
Fury, Same as above
Dusk Bramble
Gore riders
Trang oul's gloves
RF/BK rings
not sure about ammy

9 shadow gcs
20/19 sin torch
17/19 anni

As for prebuff gear (for venom):
dual 3 shadow dis claw (with 3 to venom, if i get lucky)
3 to shadow dis ammy
shako or any other skills helm
dual sojs
shadow dancers for the 2 skills?
Demon Limb

Skills:
20 Venom
20 Claw Mastery
20 Fade
20 Weapon Block
1 Dragon Flight (this the tele skill? Haven't used an assassin in a while ^_^
Rest BoS



Does anyone know how to make a good pure pvp one? I'd appreciate it, thanks in advance!

 

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Oh and I seem to have missed the belt, not sure on which to use, and does +/- to poison% work in prebuffing? Like putting facets in the prebuff claws? or does it only count if it's being used on the weapon itself? Again, thanks to anyone who responds. =]

 

[TienJe]

are you builfing for pvp or pvm? i think in either case, bramble builds are outdated.

 

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Well, I really didn't wanna make a ghost one since I can't multi task very well <.<
And I think that dragon flight can pretty much keep up with casters if you ww right away, any suggestions for claws if I'm going for psn/ow build?

 

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And its mainly for pvp

 

[TienJe]

well, bramble sins need to use traps as well. you probably won't be able to hit many characters if you only use DF/WW. (and the ones you can hit you probably don't want to jump on)

if you want to go with PSN/OW build, stick with GT's for both claws. you'll probably need a fools/quickness/swiftness if you don't plan on enchanting for every duel, and 15% IAS jewel somewhere in your equipment if you're planning to use traps.

shako 15 res + 15 ias jewel
maras
fools GT of swiftness/quickness with 2x Um
chaos GT
bramble
trangs
spider
raven frost
BK/raven frost
rare booties/treks

 

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Thanks! :grin:

 

[Sechler]

If you’re not big on multi-tasking, then you need to think about this build before you go getting all the high end gear to make this work. Even a bramble build is gonna take lots of hotkeying for WoF, Shadow recasts, Dragon flighting, Mind blasting. Don’t get me wrong, if you get the hang of it, it’ll be an extremely fun char to play. Have you read any guides yet on it. Most of your questions would be answered. If you don’t find them here, then just google Bramble Sin or WWsin, etc.

 

[RedemptioN]

well, bramble sins need to use traps as well. you probably won't be able to hit many characters if you only use DF/WW. (and the ones you can hit you probably don't want to jump on)

if you want to go with PSN/OW build, stick with GT's for both claws. you'll probably need a fools/quickness/swiftness if you don't plan on enchanting for every duel, and 15% IAS jewel somewhere in your equipment if you're planning to use traps.

shako 15 res + 15 ias jewel
maras
fools GT of swiftness/quickness with 2x Um
chaos GT
bramble
trangs
spider
raven frost
BK/raven frost
rare booties/treks

If you're already going to have 40 fcr from Spider and Trangs, might as well make it 42% for the breakpoint so you can MB better. Swap out that BK/Rfrost for an fcr ring or use an fcr ammy instead of maras.

 

[TienJe]

yea i wasn't sure if he was going to MB at all :frowntown:

 

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Yeah, I'll get mb etc, not sure if I'm gonna be any good at the multi tasking, always sucked at it.. :sad2:
And I know using mb/traps is alot better, but I can't seem to lay traps at strategic areas while keeping them away with mb.. Any tips? :laugh:

 

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Yeah, I'll get mb etc, not sure if I'm gonna be any good at the multi tasking, always sucked at it.. :sad2:
And I know using mb/traps is alot better, but I can't seem to lay traps at strategic areas while keeping them away with mb.. Any tips? :laugh:

A good basic tactic is playing the corners. Try to position yourself so that the other guy is diagonal from you. Then inch closer towards him laying traps in the corner of your screen. It’s a simple way to applied pressure and get traps under his feet while keeping your distance if need be.

 

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One last question, sorry to have not asked before, but i've read guides and got opinions, quite a few of my friends have said that weapon speed doesn't affect the sin's ww speed, is this true? Because I have a pretty good suwayyah with 3 sockets just waiting to be made into a fury, so I'd like to get a definitive answer about this.

 

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One last question, sorry to have not asked before, but i've read guides and got opinions, quite a few of my friends have said that weapon speed doesn't affect the sin's ww speed, is this true? Because I have a pretty good suwayyah with 3 sockets just waiting to be made into a fury, so I'd like to get a definitive answer about this.

That's BS. Ofcourse weapon speed affects ww speed, it's just that Chaos and Fury in any claw reach last ww bp. Fools claw need IAS, Jade Talons need shael/ias jewel. And having Chaos & Fury in slow claw type is bad for your kicking & traping speed.

 

[Sechler]

Well... I think this'll help. You need 14ias (or maybe it's 13) to get the fastest ww breakpoint. So a suwwayah has 0 base weapon speed, but fury adds 40ias so you would be covered as far as ww speed. Although, another real big issue is trap laying speed. Trap placement is based on ias and not fcr as some people think. Slow traps will get you killed quicker than you think. Your goal would be to lay 9 frame traps (or a trap every nine frames of game animation). Well with a suwwayah you'll maybe hit 10 dependent on other ias in your hat, gloves, etc. With a 15ias jewel in your circ or shako, you should be at 10 frames which is fine. Otherwise you'd really need to get your hands on a couple Runic Talons for your fury and chaos to maximize trap speed. There's a nice chart to figure all this out right here...Weapon Speed Calculator :thumbsup:

 

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Okay, thank you very much, I had seen a guide on some other site that said it didn't matter, must not have been uncluding traps, thank you very much for the help, everyone who posted. :3