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ww qn + gripe about cta

Discussion in 'Barbarian' started by DEA, Nov 14, 2006.

  1. DEA

    DEA IncGamers Member

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    ww qn + gripe about cta

    does crushing blow and deadly strike work on ww?
    the arreat summit only mentions ctc on striking etc not working, but doesn't mention either of these

    and goddamm, dual ctas SHOULD add +8 to bo, not goddamm +5
    the game should differentiate between different ctas =.=
     
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    Dahmer IncGamers Member

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    i'm about 99.999% sure they do work on ww
    yesterday when i had to help a friend beat up ubers on my barb i had to put on goblin toes to get a bit of cb (dont have gores) so i did conc and noticed i finally did some dmg and when i tried ww life went even down faster :grin:
    so i'm guessing ds and cb work on all skills (that do physical dmg)
     
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    DEA IncGamers Member

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    that's great news
    i ask because i've only ever used cb/ds stuff on my barb
    and i have no gear to swap them out to try it in hell, and also, his dmg is like 11k, basically killing things so fast i can't even tell
    ~70% ds, ~60% cb good enough for ubers?
    im going to try soon, but my ar sucks donkey balls
     
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    Dahmer IncGamers Member

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    main things you need as barb against ubers is cb, ar and res and you need lots of ar and res, i'm guessing around 16k might be enough, i've got 10k now and having problems hitting baal sometimes
     
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    That would mean they would need to allow more +class skills. That would end up with FBers that have lvl 65 Fire Ball, doing 42k damage per hit, minimum damage.

    Now, you think you want to pay that kind of a price just for an extra 6% life (which btw is ~2.4% effective increase in life)



     
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    Noctis Reitop IncGamers Member

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    Reading this has confused me. I thought that a cta had a cap of +3 for all barbs, but on top of that, it had +1 skills. == +4 on each cta? No?

    P.S. Ce Olba rocks ^^
     
  7. DEA

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    ce olba, did you not read my first post?
    1 cta adds 3 to bo
    and +1 to all skills
    so 1 cta SHOULD add +4 to bo EACH
    but dump them in together, you get +5
    use one echoing weapon and a cta, you get +7
    do you get why im *****ing about it now?

    dahmer, wtf, 10k ar? you're using angelics?
    i only have 6.7k now with normal gear
    if possible i'm going to get a metal grid and treachery, that'll buff my res to max with conviction

    btw, if you don't have lifetap active, you absolutely cannot leech from the ubers?
     
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    Oskills are item granted skills that are not of that character's class (bo, bc from cta, teleport from enigma, artic blast from frostwind, etc). Blizzard limited the oskills to only +3 for the character's class that the skill originally belonged to. So barbs can only get +3 bo or bc from a cta even if you have 2 of them since they both grant oskills and they are limited to +3 total bo, not individually. Just use a +3 bo cta and a +3 wc stick, that'll give you +7 bo.

    What Ce Olba was talking about was the +18 fireball granted from wearing 2 pieces of the Trang set. Since fireball is originally a sorc skill, sorcs can only get +3 fireball from wearing 2 pieces of the trang set, which means they don't get a very high level fireball. Basically limiting oskills is a balance tool.
     
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    Don't worry Infy, it's just another person who is stupid enough to think that the extra +3% life (which btw is about 1.2% effective increase in your life) matters.

    And no, it should not work that way. You just want to think it should. Ever heard of such a word as balance?
     
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    i'm not using angelics, maras/raven/bk and lot of ar charms



     
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    Eilo Rytyj IncGamers Member

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    Don't worry too much about the CTA's oskills being capped.

    A +3BO/BC/BCry CTA with an Echoing <dagger> of Life Tap is still one of the best switch weapon combos you can get on any character.
     
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    your proctologist must make a lot of money off you
    if you don't like it, doesn't the word GRIPE in the thread title warn you off?
    hey, i hear it takes less effort not to post than it does to be a jackass

    balance? if it adds +14 to BO, that'll be unbalanced
    what's so unbalanced about getting +8 BO from 2 CTAs?
    which i bought the 2 6boctas expressly for?
    instead of +5, which it currently does?
    and what does it matter if I LIKE to have more BO?
    what's the problem with that? high horse riding getting comfortable for you?

    eilo, im not worried about that at all
    im just venting
    which one person is too stupid to understand
    i had a hell of a time shopping for echoing weapons, that's why i got the boctas
    the echoing lifetap weapon is gonna be a ***** to find, yea?

    dahmer, oic
    right now im pushing 7k with highlords and 235 raven, just one 130 ar gc
    you did the ubers with a ww barb?
    care to share how you did it?

    almostinfinity
    that's a good point
    my point was that i expected 1 cta to be capped at 3 each, whereas there's a total oskill cap
    the reason why im ticked off is because i went out to buy the 2 ctas thinking i could get 8
    aight?



     
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    You seem not to know the game mechanics. Yes, it would be unbalanced if they only allowed one skill to break the oskills rule. So, if they made all skills be able to do that to any amount, it would end up being super unbalanced with sorcs doing an easy 42k minimum damage via 2 trang pieces along with their normal gear.

    Now, let's see. Any character versus a 95% immune to all elements and 96.25% immune to all melee attacks who deals 7140 minimum PvP damage at at least 8 frames per attack. Any character loses a lot. Hell, even with 95% FR you would still take 357 MINIMUM damage per hit.

    Well, if you want a +3/lifetap, you will be shopping for a good time. Took me 2-3 hours to get a +2/lifetap one.

    Shouldn't your brains tell you that it's +3 TOTAL, not +3 per item? Did you bother reading about it before doing a thing except that oskills have a cap of +3? If not, blame yourself. If you did not understand it totally, blame yourself.



     

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