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ww bva barb help please

Discussion in 'Barbarian' started by zacco, Apr 20, 2008.

  1. zacco

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    ww bva barb help please

    hi guys!i am looking to make a ww bva barb and so far i have arreats draculs dungos 2 raven h lords and gore rider and stormsheild do any of you no wat to sugest insteads of these and wat armour and wep i should use it would be a big help thanks
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    or should i just make a freenzy barb
     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    yuqing's BvC guide

    a BvA is just a BvC who's added some dex for shield block.

    unless you have some godly gear, i'd suggest you just build a BvC.
     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    Id make a bvc instead. as meph said a bva is a bvc with some stats invested, which would allow you to use a sheild.

    But only time a sheild would be an advantage is vs bvb's where u got no chance anyway
     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    But the bVc IMO is the most expensive build to equip. why even build it if your gonna use stuff from the low-budget counter:shocked: any thing less than godly gear and a stash full of secondary equipment needed for a bVc or bVa for that matter, you gonna wind up spending more time chasing your corpse down than you will learning how to master any of the techniques needed to play the bVc build::undecided:


     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    u can make a decent bvc for about 10hr.

    Sure to get all the best equipment, its gonna cost around 300. doesn't mean you need to spend that to make a decent one though.
     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    Just out of curiosity how many 3/20/20 sc's were you able to get for 10 hr's and still afford "decent" Grief/Beast zerk's....Enigma...Torch... anni.........
    What realm was that in??
     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    2 socket COA Ber'd ?????
     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    well barbs r my fave chars. so ive spent about 200hrs on him so far. but its not needed to make a decent bvc.

    20/20/3's r overated. sure there nice. but there not needed unless ur vs a gg smiter. plain 20lifers or even 18+lifers will do well.

    U can pick up a 1sock coa for a couple of hrs and alot of ppl will say areats is better than coa most of the time anyway.

    Sure if you've got all the perfect gear, then your going to do better. but its the same with any char. 4 example u dont have to have 9 45life pcombs to have a good hammerdin.
     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    Not really at all 3/20/20 provide dmg and ar which is very important if u cant afford these the next best bet is ar/lifers this helps u ease past 10k base ar with ravens on. Also most have drifted away from pure 32020s and using some life/mana scs and some life/res scs which helps overal build layout by giving enough to get 500+ mana with angelics and getting some kinda res stack

    And CoA is almost always default helm to use in pubs there is just not much room to use arreat unless vs casters and even then a guillemes face is nice to carry in a setup vs bone necs and hammers.



     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    actually, bvc's benefit a LOT from res/life sc's.

    and it's rarely a BvC needs angelics (vs high-def smiters is about it really). a Highlords is the preffered BvC ammy.



     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    Let's not forget to mention the set of Fortitude that your gonna need on occasion, oh yea the Spider as well for the added FCR and skill bonus. 2 perf. ravens/highlords still can't come close to the insane AR that Angelic Ammy/ Rings provides...

    My point is this, if you're a Barbarian lover like myself (I even have a old-school pike barb' that has a perf-EBOD war pike and rends, metal ammy etc. I use for pVm and Ubers!) and your gonna spend the time it takes to build and then actually develope the coordination it takes to do this build justice in pub duels. IMO it is one of the, if not the most expensive build:soapbox:!
     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    Fort is **** and never needed. Barb is one of the cheapest chars there is, especially if you're just gonna pub. Just cough up some hrs for a cheap grief, beast, enigma and coa. Rest is basically free and with charms most people sell to charsi you can still get similar stats to what most n00bs that build around fort have hehe.


     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    All u guys are saying u need all this gear. but the point im making is its not needed!

    Yes its nice to have and yes it will imporve your character. But even without 3/20/20's ull kill alot of chars 1-2 hits. I'm not disagreeing that barbs are probably the most expensive build to make with the best gear, but thats not what this argument is about.

    And sure coa is the prefere'd helm for public duels because of the mass range of chars and the dmg reduce. But the point I was making is arreats is used alot of the time and this is dirt cheap (pretty much same stats, just no dr).

    and ur mentioning extra gear like fort...??? Only advantage with a fort is vs a smiter and bvb. but smiters are easy anyway when u learn to play tactical and a bvb u got no chance vs.

    But if you just want a general decent character. U can get avg items and do well with one.
     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    Fort is for prebuffing level 15 chilling armor (+115% def). Enigma after you've got the buff.


     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    So you're telling me you waste 6 slots in stash just to prebuf chilling armor LOL? You do that, I get +90% def from the +9 warcry items I can fit in the same space if I felt like wasting time zzzz


     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    Step 1 - Equip Fort

    Step 2 - WP to cold plains, get hit, WP back to town

    Step 3 - Swap fort in your stash with whatever charms you need in your inventory


    I can understand how this simple 3 step process can seem a bit tricky though.
    :brainiac:


     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    I don't doubt the fact that you've made a considerably cheaper version of some sort of barbarian if "you're just gonna pub".
    My mistake! I thought that the discussion/debate here was what it cost to build a bVc.:undecided:
    I have no idea what the build you're referring to-"you can get similar sats to wat most nOObs that build around fort have"???::rolleyes:
    Whether or not you think "Fort is *****" is totally irrelevant and IMO OT!

    Crazy is the whole argument here!! But I guess if the whole frames per sec. game speed and how to hit the break points for AR/WW/FCR isn't understood in the first place it would make sense to say it is the cheapest!
    perhaps that is the nOOb build your referring to?:shocked:


     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    Personally I wouldn't waste 6 slots in stash for a prebuff fort. altho i spose u cud if u dont need anything else. however i wish i had more room already.

    Besides defense dont mean **** anyway. unless ur talking about 30k+ and bvc doesn't use sheild. seriously what char wud u need defense vs??? considering smiters always hit, uve got 8.5k+ life already and u cant beat a bvb.

    So if u dont have the best gear in the game ur saying barbs are pointless and noobish..... if thats ur opinion. I strongly suggest u reconsider making a barb, bcoz u obviously don't know how to play 1 tactically.

    Its like with any character..... ur telling me fire sorces who dont hav 1k life 5k mana 20k dmg all suck?

    or hdins who dont have 4.5k + life and 16k dmg with 300+ res?

    or bowzons that do less than 16k dmg?
     
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    Re: ww bva barb help please

    Ok, you get +115% defense and I get +60% defense and 800 more life (850 with angelics). And unlike life defense matters so much in so many duels LOLOLOL

    I can understand how simple common sense can seem a bit tricky though zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


    Thread title says "bva" not "bVc" sry. Anyway a barb is a barb only noobs who haven't played much give them arbitrary labels.

    To be able to use noob gear like fort you have to waste stats, I don't so I can use cheap items and still reach similar stats as your expensive but poorly built barb. What is hard to understand?

    Someone who uses botd warpike on a barb shouldn't mention game mechanics sorry. I dominated euro nl pubs with a 5 soj barb just to prove it was possible, not my problem that you are a bad player.

    Now please elaborate some about break points for attack rating HAHAHAHA


     

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