Wtf why blizz sorc is hard for windy ?

[moonlike]

Wtf why blizz sorc is hard for windy ?

ive dueled few gosu es blizz sorcs and i lost badly 1 blzz and i almost died.
in 9/10 situations i telet in blizz sorc and toro her to death but this ones were goodly i died soon after tel bcoz of blizz+ib spam how to beat such chars ?
i have also problems with goodly deesync hammerdins , i die sometimes after 1 hammer and he can tank me easy with 5k life and dr .
tele on blind spot is hard bcoz so many hammers flying around ;/

 

[eA-Zaku]

Judging from how coherent your typing is, my guess is you're doing poorly because you suffer from mental retardation.

I could be wrong, though. I'm not a doctor.

Actually, I'm not going to be a complete jackass. Here's some advice you might want to try, but by no means am I a godly dueler. Try making tornado fields, just like the Hammerdin can make hammer fields. You never know, the desynching Paladin may get hit by your tornadoes (good luck killing him this way) and the Blizzard sorc frantically teleporting around could get hit by a stray tornado. Then you pounce.

I don't know, wind druids are tough. Just try your best, and remember to stack

 

[atenza]

ice blast is slow, so easy to dodge as long as she isn't shooting upwards and you're namelock teleporting her. Blizz shouldn't be a one hit killer, minionstack + cyclone should make it take 3+ consecutive blizz hits to kill you. As long as you remember to retreat and recast once you get tagged, you should last much longer. If they're blizzing themselves constantly, just don't namelock teleport. Tornado has half a screen + range?? Well, its longer than the radius of a blizz so stand outside her blizz and fire at her. Not to mention, tornado's kind of become invisible sometimes. Once she realizes you aren't going to namelock teleport her, she may stop blizzing herself. Then is the time you go in for TEH KIEEEEELLLLLLL

 

[moonlike]

Judging from how coherent your typing is, my guess is you're doing poorly because you suffer from mental retardation.

I could be wrong, though. I'm not a doctor.

Actually, I'm not going to be a complete jackass. Here's some advice you might want to try, but by no means am I a godly dueler. Try making tornado fields, just like the Hammerdin can make hammer fields. You never know, the desynching Paladin may get hit by your tornadoes (good luck killing him this way) and the Blizzard sorc frantically teleporting around could get hit by a stray tornado. Then you pounce.

I don't know, wind druids are tough. Just try your best, and remember to stack

the point of my post was my cyclon armor abs 2800dmg .that means after pvp penalty 17k blizz should be tanked with no dmg to my life, that dmg i almost impossble to archive with es sorc. The sorc which i was dueling almost killed me in 1 hit with cyclon armor , i dunno maybe cause of lag i saw only 1 hit or she was iceblasting me hard under that blizz, but imo thats pretty weird when i tele onto not blizzed sorc and tornado here while she sits casts blizz on me and icblast me while tanking my tornados(after 1s im dead ) .
I always saw post how wind dru> all cold sorcs now i see that blizz is hard if she has goodly items ,druid must play def and rely on lucky random tornados.

 

[Neuroff]

Maybe that's why you don't tele right into stacked blizz.

 

[dkay]

my blizz sorc did 11k. 12k is easily achievable. so lets assume 12k.
thats 2k dmg after pvp. 1 shard will leave your armor with 800 absorb left. 2 shard will overkill it. ice blast IS slow but since windies need to get close to hit, they are a sorcs best friend. es blizz sorcs if played right can go head to head with windies imo. just spam 1 level 1 orb to kill off minions. blizz on top of yourself, and spam iceblasts (which roughly does around 5-6k damage each.) all it takes is 1 shard of blizzard and 2-3 ice blasts to kill a windy.

 

[JoeJTang]

IIRC, the first bolt of Blizzard is unblockable, though I'm not sure if Cyclone Armor is counted in this.

 

[DuffMacane]

There is always at least one godly skilled guy who will beat you no matter what in every mainstream build. That's my belief. Don't worry, just join another game and have fun killing other, less skilled and ill-fated blitz sorcs.
The guy who replied first is a roflcopter btw :thumbsup:

 

[DarkMousy]

When it comes to head on tanking, a good es sorc > windy, end of story (except maybe orber). Blizz takes out your cyclone, and if she has fhr iceblast will rape you before you even get through her mana. 1.8k life/7k mana with decent dr and maxblock along with 95% es simply beats any windy.

 

[Rancors]

freakin' mega stack cold res + cyclone you're set, and don't go underneath blizzard.

the iceblast will heal you if you wear 2x ravens + good cold res.

 

[usbserial]

Yea... 2x ravens and a snowclash belt will get you
40% cold absorb
max cold res up to 90%
+15 cold absorb

With that you'll effectively take 2% of their damage (after pvp mod) and then -30 from that. I doubt that's much.

Say they have 17k blizz... 17k / 6 pvp mod = 2833
2833 * .10 (cold res) = 283 dmg.
283 * .2 (cold absorb) = 56 dmg.
56 - 30 = 26.6 dmg. Yes... they'll do a WHOLE 26 dmg.

And if you are REALLY paranoid, tack on Guardian Angel armor to up your max res to 95%

In which case 17k / 6 * .05 * .2 = 28.3 - 30 = -1.6. You'd then HEAL from their cold attack.

 

[Ce Olba]

Yea... 2x ravens and a snowclash belt will get you
40% cold absorb
max cold res up to 90%
+15 cold absorb

With that you'll effectively take 2% of their damage (after pvp mod) and then -30 from that. I doubt that's much.

Say they have 17k blizz... 17k / 6 pvp mod = 2833
2833 * .10 (cold res) = 283 dmg.
283 * .2 (cold absorb) = 56 dmg.
56 - 30 = 26.6 dmg. Yes... they'll do a WHOLE 26 dmg.

And if you are REALLY paranoid, tack on Guardian Angel armor to up your max res to 95%

In which case 17k / 6 * .05 * .2 = 28.3 - 30 = -1.6. You'd then HEAL from their cold attack.

Your calc is a bit flawed. For first, the PvP penalty is 17%, but when you round it up, it's 1/6th.

17 000*0.17*0.1*0.2 =
2890*0.1*0.2 =
289*0.2 =
57.8 - 30 =
27.8

With 95% Cold resistances it would be:

17 000*0.17*0.05*0.2 =
2890*0.05*0.2 =
144.5*0.2 =
28.9 - 30 =
-1.1

so you would barely be healed. And yes, it _does_ matter.

 

[kmk-soldier]

When it comes to head on tanking, a good es sorc > windy, end of story (except maybe orber). Blizz takes out your cyclone, and if she has fhr iceblast will rape you before you even get through her mana. 1.8k life/7k mana with decent dr and maxblock along with 95% es simply beats any windy.

tell me, how would you achieve 1.8k life, 7k mana and max block . . .
sounds impossible to me actually, 7k mana ~~
so plz, tell me your secret

 

[Ce Olba]

tell me, how would you achieve 1.8k life, 7k mana and max block . . .
sounds impossible to me actually, 7k mana ~~
so plz, tell me your secret

I suspect 70/15's. I made a "legit" godly es fb'er on open, ended up with 200% fcr, max dr, max block, I think 2.5kish mana, 1.8kish life or so. Oh, and the gear in use were pretty unreal, such as:

Perfect Eschuta's Temper
Wizgloves
Wall of the Eyeless boots (someone posted a picture of these somewhere here)
BTals
BBelt
A rare pretty godlish circlet (2/20/2/life/dex/str IIRC)
A crafted godly amulet (2/20/life/dex/str/mana IIRC)
2x Occu rings
Elded Whitstan's

But in real D2, that's totally impossible. As for the 7k mana, max block, etc, etc, I think it might be possible, but will result in crap fcr or fhr or some else.

 

[kmk-soldier]

70/15's ill suppose thats mana/life?
heard of them a long time ago but didnt knew they really existed
saw pictures of those boots and gloves too
never heard of ocu rings though, but they all exist on battle net? (stats on rings plz)

 

[Ce Olba]

70/15's ill suppose thats mana/life?
heard of them a long time ago but didnt knew they really existed
saw pictures of those boots and gloves too
never heard of ocu rings though, but they all exist on battle net? (stats on rings plz)

Yes, it's mana/life. I'm not exactly sure on which realm those small charms exist. As for the occurings, yes, they do/did exist. The stats were the same as on the occulus orb, which allowed the sorc to hit 200% fcr.

 

[DarkMousy]

Yes, I play USEast where bmanas are a reality. You can hit fhr bp in the 40s and 105 fcr with maxblock/decent dr, it's not that hard, can also switch out some gear for 86 fhr if you need;

nwings
fathom
fletch
arachnid's
eld whitstans/hel SS
shael vipermagi
magefists
dual sojs
stat/fhr/res boots

using bmanas and a few 40+ life and fhr gcs, it's not hard to hit 1.6k life with minimal vit investment. Maxblock with whitstans is easy to get, or you could opt for a hel SS instead, although it's not really necessary with 95% es, you can tank any non absorbing/super stacking windy with ease. Alot of east sorcs use bugged tal rasha's which gives a good amount of dr% although no fcr. If you don't need the block, then btals + spirit or lidless/fcr ring would work better, gives you a mana boost and with lidless you could ber it for even more dr%.

For an fb/light sorc, it's even easier for a 105 fcr tanker;

Shael Shako
Fletch
COH/Shael Magi/Btals
hel SS/eld whitstans
Hoto/Wizzy
Arach
Dual sojs
Frostburns/Magefists
res/fhr/stat boots