wtf am I doing wrong?

[RequiemDeath]

wtf am I doing wrong?

I'm new to PvP, and need some help with my bone necro... I decided on this build after weighing out the pros and cons of various builds/character types, and I thought that this one would suit me best... However, it seems that this isn't the case at all... I'll give you guys the character run down:

Level 85 Bone skill Necromancer

Shako
1358 Enigma AP
P HotO
Homunculus w/Um rune
Trang gloves
Aldurs boots
Arachnid sash
SoJ
R. Frost
Saracens Chance (For PvM so I get good resist. +3 PnB for PvP)

On switch:

Wiz Spike
Splendor Grim Shield

I also have 3 PnB Gcs and a Necro Torch... But despite this, I get killed inside of 2 hits from most anything/anyone... I'm at my wits end, and I'm about to give up on PvP if I can't at least stand half a chance... The thing is, I have no idea what the problem is... Either my equipment is not up to par, or I screwed something up somewhere, or I just suck... I don't know all the tricks in PvP, so any help would be appreciated... I really don't even know how to get a name lock really good... I nail it about 10% of the time I duel, but everyone I see seems to get a name lock on me 100% of the time... Why is this? Do I need more damage? More fcr? When I actually last long enough to hit someone, it doesn't seem to phase them at all... I assume that need better damage, but I would like to find out if this is going to help at all before I go back to leveling him more... Can anyone help a newbie-PvPer out here?

Thanks in advance!!!

*Requiem_Death

 

[riath]

You have max block, right? Ditch the archon plate for a mage plate, enabling base strength. Ditch the ravenfrost for another SoJ - raven doesn't offer anything you need. Try and get a cta for the switch. A maras is much better than what you're using. Try to stock up on some 20 life scs if you can't afford life skillers. What is your life currently at? Base stats? Damage?

Your fcr isn't optimal, but should be adequate. Going up that last frame can be quite expensive with max block. You've got about 4k spear/spirit, I'd say. Is this correct?

 

[RequiemDeath]

Not max block, but close to it... About 72% I think... I've been more concerned with damage dealing, and fcr rather than block.... I figured I wouldn't need that so much as Bone Armor and teleing would make up for it a bit... I thought that if I could just get a good bit of damage going, I'd kill them before I'd be in trouble, but it seems that one to two shots does me in before I can even get a name lock.... My life is at just over 1200 right now, and I'll need to get back to you on my base stats... 3.7k to 4k is correct on my spear/spirit damage... Thanks for the input so far!

*Requiem_Death

 

[oneBlast]

Your life is low, a ww barb with grief will 1hit ko you, same with smiters.
try using stormshield vs melee - good block, high DR, a bit more dex for max block compared to homu.
Get at least lvl 90 so your dmg would increase a bit - about 5k is optimal IMO.
When duelling, don't get on your opponents screen to get namelock - spam some spirits then some spears off screen to make him move.
I've recently buit a necro too, he's lvl 90 atm wit max res, max block 125 fcr.
Stats vs melee:
max block/ 43dr/ 125fcr about 5.5k spear/ spirit/ 1.9k life/ 1.3k mana

vs elemental dmg:
125fcr/86 fhr/ max res/ 2.2k life/ 1.6k mana

He dies in 2 wws with 840dmg abs and max block though, and it usually takes about 2 fireballs to kill him

My charms suck, tho I use 9 PnB skillers.

 

[Jackson]

You need to play more defensively probably. Try your best to keep a distance between you and the other person. They should almost always be a screen away from you.

Even if you spam BS when the other person is off screen, the spell can track the opponent down. Use teeth, and Bone spear as *faster* spells to force enemies away, etc.

 

[theredpredator]

Max block, 125 fcr. Have enough mana, and teleport as much as you can.

A tactic i used when i had a necro was to just tele about 2 screens away, spam about 6 spirits, and tele along them to the opponent. This works well against sorces and barbs. Make sure your on the opposite side. See the spirits as a line, if hes a bit left of the line tele along the right side of the line. Sorces want to get close to spam whatever they want, so theyll tele on the spirit trail. theyr dead.

With bvs, make sure they get a small opportunity to namelock tele, be sure to be on constant tele, so theyll tele ww and miss, meanwhile getting 6 spirits on theyr ***. Wen theyr weakened, spam spears while staying out of namelock tele range. If the barb does hit you, your max block, high vita and bone armor should keep you alive. recast and repeat.

CHargers/smiters, spam around 5 bonewalls around you, while hes charging to you spam a lot of spirits while teleing inside the bonewall fortitude. I never lost to one this way^^ (bm whatever)

Faithazons-> a pain. Could never get them in dodgelock with spears wihout getting killed first. I had no max block however.

WIndies: spears tele spam all the way.

Trappers-> either sorb or stay away.

125fcr and decent fhr and max block is a must. Having a nice bo on switch is very nice

 

[Jackson]

Hey, is that your life with, or without BO?

 

[oneBlast]

from what he wrote, he doesn't have cta... that's why my advice was to saty off screen all the time.

 

[Gotcha]

Getting in the 2500 life range (after BO) with:

Max Block with SS
125% FCR
86% FHR
43% PDR
Max Resists/Stacked at least 30 - 50 deep

is pretty hard yet this is what you should aim for. You will need some skillers with 35+ life, etc.

Also mana will be an issue so 1300 is a good range to aim for.

 

[StillGreen]

I'm a growing pvp necro myself and I felt the same way when I first started.

Some things that haven't been mentioned yet:

Do you use a golem? 1 pt in one can provide multiple benefits including shield, slow, and distance testing (I often summon the golem to see the range of trappers. I don't know if anyone else does this. I guess the pros already know how far traps go).

Spirits and teeth are a great combo but also mix in some teeth. If there is a trail of BS's following them, a few simple teeth sprays could stop their movements for the spirits to hit. It's also great to kill off minions or to whittle down a fast mover.

Do you have a easy to reach set of hotkeys? If something happens, you want to be able to react quickly and use your spells accordingly.

Don't always launch your spirits in a straight line. I've been using the spirit arc that is mentioned in Soulless's guide and it is very useful. Check out the necro forum; I hear a necro guide is coming out that'll go into necro spell usage.

 

[Sechler]

I think getting to the 125 fcr breakpt in important and you weren't wrong by focusing on it. Although max block is all part of the equation as well.
You're gonna have to get a 20fcr nec circ and a 10 fcr nec ammy. Which aren't cheap, but shouldn't break the bank either, if your not picky on secondary mods. You'll give up some dmg, as you'll have to ditch the soj's for fcr rings. But being able to move quickly and spam mass spirits is what kept my necro alive. Like green mentioned.. a golem will help a ton against fast movin melee'rs. Also, summoning up some skellies for meat shields help too.. especially w/ chargers, foh'ers, etc.

 

[SoAmazing]

Hmm, trying to keep up here Whats PnB skillers? I know what skillers is but PnB? And also, max block? Is that when u reach 80% blockrate or something?
-nooby gone wild! :thumbsup:

 

[Sechler]

Hmm, trying to keep up here Whats PnB skillers? I know what skillers is but PnB? And also, max block? Is that when u reach 80% blockrate or something?
-nooby gone wild! :thumbsup:

PnB= Poison and Bone Skill Tree
Max block is at 75%, and takes a very large dexterity commitment to reach. I feel it's a must tho. You can look at it like 75% reduced phys.dmg in a way, as it will block 75% of (most) physical attacks and will basically save ur a** :grin: . It's often more important than vitality.