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Wrath strafer?

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  1. Tumbleweed

    Tumbleweed IncGamers Member

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    Wrath strafer?

    I'm going to try and build a Wrath runeword-based strafer, and any input will be appreciated.

    Here's what I got so far. Wrath' 30% ctc Decrepify, coupled with Strafe, means all the monsters on the screen will be slowed, weakened and more vulnerable. This should make for a safer play and decent killing speed, despite the modest damage stats compared to the usual strafer choices such as WF, Faith or Buriza. The 5% ctc Life Tap may- or may not- cover the life leech needs. At least some immunes will be broken, too. Another interesting feature of Wrath is CBF, which means I could forego Ravenfrost and use rings for mana leech, resists, absorb, +life or other mods. (I'm thinking Manald/Wisp Projector. maybe even deploying a Heart of Wolverine during battle if it proves a decent survivor on the Decrep-covered battlefield).

    Assuming the Crusader bow as a base (I don't have GMB), I can hit the 9/3 breakpoint with Treachery, Highlords and either 20% IAS gloves or a Jewel of Fervor in the helm, in which case I can go with a Might/Pride merc. Alternatively, I can do the same with a Faith merc, Highlords, 20IAS gloves and a Jewel of fervor, in which case I can replace Treachery with Fortitude.

    Which would be more worthwhile?

    Any other input will also be appreciated.
     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    This might be a worthwhile read for you if you're going this route.

    If you are going this route, I would advise not removing Raven Frost just because you have an alternate source of CBF; Raven Frost comes with a decent amount of AR and 15% to 20% enhanced damage, which is often overlooked since it's known as the "CBF Ring". If you need the resistances and ML, then yeah, grab some rares. I would take mana pots and a RF over a Manald any day. Just trade for some 20 IAS/3 ML gloves instead.

    I can't help you with anything else since I've never played such a build, best of luck though.
     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    I got it in Hydra Bow or ward I think?. Switch is Faith or Harmony.
    FYI
    Life Tap/Decript =
    1 curse at a time effects them only and one procs more BTW
     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    It's more than enough to keep ama alive. You can leech from undead monsters too, so its more effective than normal life leech.

    Your merc don't need life leech items either. That life tap keeps him alive too.



    I have done Wrath-strafer. It was tele-ama with Faith merc. Main target was Baal and it was easy target for her.



     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    Thanks for the input guys :)

    omgwtfbbqpwned- Your (fascinating) link seems to suggest the Matriarchal bow as a base for Wrath, which I've found interesting. I assume IAS breakpoints are the reason. But I am a bit unclear on how much IAS I need for a Mat bow and how much for a Crusader bow (with AND without Fanaticism, because I might go with a Might/Pride merc).
     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    I've never personally used Wrath before (I might test) but definitely +1 for mat bow in my opinion, *especially* if you're not gonna have fanat. I think might/pride merc would also give you more damage than faith merc since you can make up the ias... You'll easily hit your bp if using mat bow, plus a 2nd tank over the valk is a big help.

    As mentionned, I wouldn't ditch the raven either just because you already have CBF, as the dex and ar all really add up for bowas. Your mana needs should be pretty minimal with strafe anyways, nothing the 2nd ring slot and pots can't keep up with. The decrep and lifetap will override each other though, and considering the ctc ratio you aren't very likely to see lifetap on for very long at a time. A hard source of life leech sounds much more reliable to me, so dual leech rare would be the optimal in my view.

    As far as armor goes, Id use fort over coh if you can afford the ias since your damage is physical, and skill/res aren't a priority. Fort+might+pride AND decrep would do alot for your dmg; you'll just need something else (magic arrow) for whatever immunes decrep can't break. Overall sounds like this build has great potential.
     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    Why'd you want to make a wrath using strafer when faith cost's around as much?
     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    I'm making her because it seems like a fun project. Why else do we play computer games?


     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    I prefer wf for zon and faith on a1 merc. Its a nice combo to have kb on bow and loh for gloves instead of those kb gloves which all those bowazons demand for.
     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    I figure, witt all monsters decrepified all the time I might not need KB as much. Although I am going for base vitality, so I might still need KB...

    I mainly wanted Wrath because I'm a huge WWS fan, and Wrath strikes me as a souped-up WWS. Plus it allows Crushing Blow to become a significant source of damage despite the nerfing; perhaps not against single target, but a strafer dishing out CB hits against a dozen monsters at once might add up to a significant amount of hit points.


     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    Well for those scratching their heads, you'd wanna make Wrath because *everyone* uses Faith or WF, and that can get boring.

    I find alot of d2 players are afraid of variety, and stick to only what's been proven to work... That's fine if you don't play much or don't have the wealth to risk on more "avantgarde" gear, but at some point you're gonna want to experiment, that's all. To me Wrath seems like an extremely interesting alternative with alot of potential to rival or even surpass the standards, especially after reading Wmeredith's thread (linked by omgwtfbbqpwned). Anyways I'm looking to add it to my collection, but granted it's not for everybody.
     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    It is indeed a fun weapon. I made one some months ago.

    Make use of its built-in CB, Gores should be enough, but best would be with Guillaume's Face. CB is nerfed in ranged attacks, but still effective with Strafe.

    The damage it does however, is pitiful. If you're bored with Wf or Faith, this is the bow to go, along with Brand. They're expensive but fun.
     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    I sometimes put a Wrath MB on my Witchyzon and it works very well... The only thing I miss is the 40 resists from WWS... Lifetap procs enough to keep my life globe full and the decrep makes everything slow... It is a strong build, nice Pit/ Chaos straffer... It seems to Kill faster than my upped WWS... The LCS doesn't show bonuses to Demons and Undead so Wrath's true potential can't be seen, only felt...
     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    Just hit the level when I can use Wrath and went through Act IV Nightmare with it.

    That weapon is absolutely worth a Ber.

    P.S. I am having a dilemma again.

    My current outfit is as follows:

    Helm: Tal's Mask socketed with a 15%IAS jewel

    Armor: Fortitude

    Boots: War Travellers

    Belt: Razortail

    Gloves: Crafted Hit Power gloves with 20%IAS, Knockback and 3% Life leech

    Amulet: Highlord's

    Rings: Double Ravenfrosts

    I am going with base vita, max Dex, taking advantage of the safety afforded by Decrep to maximize damage. Fully outfitted, I have slightly over 400 life and 420 Dex. Question is: do I stay with Tal's mask and double Ravens or will I get more damage at the final count if I swap them for Guillame (35%CB, 15% DS, adding up to 50% DS at my current level), Carrion Wind and Manald? (I don't have any dual leech rings?) Or maybe leave one Raven, swap the other for Manald and hope that ctc Life Tap will cover my leech needs?

    Life Tap procs- and stays- surprisingly more than I thought it would. Its lvl10, so its radius is twice that of level1 Decrep, so once it procs it often doesn't get overridden right away.

    Another possibility is keeping Tal's mask and one Ravenfrost and swapping another for a ring with charges of Oak Sage or Heart of Wolverine. Between Knockback and Decrep, I think the spirit should have an acceptable survival rate. I can get a Level 5 Oak Sage from Nature's Peace (+50% life) or level 5 Heart of Wolverine from Wisp Projector (+48% damage)
     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    You may find that a really high attack rating, with a Wrath, will negate the need for knockback... More hits = more decrep, leech, tap, monsters killed...

    Lavagout (for enchant), 2 x ravens (moar ar and damage), Wilhelm's belt (dual leech) is the setup I always end up using for proc zons... Wilhelm's would pair nicely with your Guillame's for a 35 life bonus, CB, DS etc...
     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    Now that's a thought. Although losing Razortail would reduce Pierce to 70% and cost me 15Dex and 10 damage that is multiplied so many times...


     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    It's all a compromise... But that's what keeps strafers an interesting build...

    I find razortail to be invaluable on Javers but rarely use them on bowers...


     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    True :)

    I've just experimented with Raven+Manald+Razortail vs. Raven x2 and Wilhelm. Both feel about the same, killing speed wise. With Might and Pride on, the LCS shows higher max damage for RMR than for R2W by approximately 200 points. It is definitely possible to forego life leech- ctc Life Tap procs more often than it seems, it's just hard to notice because it gets overridden fast and most hits I score are in fact offscreen so I can't see what procs. BUT the tradeoff is approx. 900 AR, and on the level of gameplay psychology I am much more confident with at least SOME guaranteed leech. Without it, even though she survives okay, at 400 life my zon is just too fragile for comfort.


     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    Hi there!

    I just wondered how this char ended up: (items,skills, charms)?
    I am planning to build a wrath strafer too, and trying to decide which bow to use: Have a 4 soc crusader bow,but a MB or a GMB would be better

    I will probably go the might merc route, but not sure yet.

    Any tips / thoughts?

    Thanks.
     
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    Re: Wrath strafer?

    After having played her till mid-Hell, I've changed my mind. Wrath lacks the damage output for real heavy combat in dangerous areas, and doesn't provide enough safety. My zon died far too often.


     

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