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Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

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  1. theredpredator

    theredpredator IncGamers Member

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    Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

    Gear:

    Spirit sword with holyshield/usefull adds
    spirit shield with dmg AR
    Viper 35 Mdr
    String of ears
    2xsoj
    circlet wth 1pala or so, 20fcr 2 socks
    amulet with pala and minimal 5fcr
    boots some rares with frw fhr

    Inventory:
    Filled with AR/max dmg charms

    Benefits:
    Decent damage, hard to sorb
    use charge as a weapon
    BIG mana
    Versatility
    about 3 spare socks. Either go sol sol sol or prubys for life.
    125fcr
    142 fhr
    Max blockisch

    Tactics:
    Joder, charge sorces

    Good against:
    alot

    Bad against:
    nothing

    Comments?

    Would the charge thing be viable?
     
  2. crawlingdeadman

    crawlingdeadman IncGamers Member

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    Re: Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

    they're called liberators and they do indeed work. i am having trouble locating a thread and/or discussion about them, i know inane fedaykin made a lvl 30 liberator, but i cant remember what it used 100%. i will edit this post in a second if i find it.

    i do remember one thing though, when i first made my 30 hammerdin, i used an insight partizan for his switch to provide a decent backup skill attack in charge. it's decent even using mostly hammerdin gear with just that one change. Fed's libby was more balance though and i believe he used a socketed life armor with max damage jewels (possibly a hat too) to increase his chage damge. he also (i think) used a nice divine scepter with relevant +skills with honor in it to provide a nice one handed charge as well as giving a decent amount of +skills to the hammer side.

    i'll look for that thread/discussion. it's either here or in the LLD Group discussion.

    Edit: HA! here is the one i was talking about *goes back to read it*

    Edit 2: i'd forgotten that also on my first hammerdin i used a battle sword spirit for the extra damage. the reqs on partizan are pretty high considering the usual amount of str for a 30 caster would be 45 or 60, but that allowed more freedom in picking a harder hitting sprit base so i took advantage.

    Edit 3: i noticed a few things about your post after reading it again:
    1) swords dont have staff mods, those appear on scepters
    2) you're probably better off using ck boots. you dont need what rares have since if you're using spirit/spirit, you have the best fhr you can hit easily. res isnt needed much in 30 lld, the standard gear gets most of it for you in addition to not having facets to worry about (blizz sorcs are exception if they're at 30).
    3) 2combat is better than 1 pally. * unless you're in Eu and stuck at 29.
    4) like i mention to fed in the above thread, pure hammerdins dont really need help killing, neither do pure chargers. they're both top builds with hammerdin being one of the best.
     
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  3. theredpredator

    theredpredator IncGamers Member

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    Re: Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

    Thanks a lot for the quick and indepth reply.

    Ive been out of the d2 scene for a while, so excuse some of my newbness.

    Spirit can not be made in scepters? (bummer)

    Charge will do enough damage without inventory stacked with ar max dmg charms?

    good point bout the cow king boots. Do they only drop in Cow level? -.-

    Anywhere some kind of calculator to see what the dmg output would be with charge and combination with charms w/e?

    Seeing res isnt needed, wouldnt it be standard to get a ar ed shield instead of a res shield? I dont really like switching all the time when I want to charge. -.- Probably keep the switch for some holy shield prebuff.

    On the other side... with honor switch (+3hs) and a nice 4s ed /ar shield with /ed jools I could pack a huge punch by just pressing 'w' -.- That will allow me to use a eth cs for my spirit, which is just +1000000 for sexyness. (holler)

    Also i think resistwise the only thing to matter is Cold sorces, so somehow stacking cold res would be a great idea. Especcially against teleporting orbers who seem to be extremely annoying. Stack res +viper+soe = ,,/,, -.- ,,/,,
     
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    Re: Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

    use insight on switch for charge and mana replanish
     
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    theredpredator IncGamers Member

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    Re: Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

    Did you read my post or are you just throwing in a standard reply?

    I think the last one.

    Thanks nevertheless.

    I need switch for holy shield prebuff obviously, wont really need mana replenishment seeing i got dual spirts dual sojs. Some nice mana mulet and im good.



     
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    Re: Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

    On second thought. Insight wouldnt be a bad idea to be honest =-)
     
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    Re: Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

    yes very bad choice. 2 hand dmg with critical, mana and life replanish, 2xx ar %. all bad things...
     
  8. King Shango

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    Re: Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

    I can't believe I'm about to give a filthy pally player advice.

    Use Sanders boots instead of CK. CK boots will piss you off vs certain chars thanks to the mdr bug.
     
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    Re: Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

    if his charge is noticeably affected by the mdr bug, he's not doing enough damage. besides, insight (really the best weapon for this build's switch spot) already has some fire damage, so the more you add, the less the mdr bug will affect your physical damage.

    he may want to use sanders for the 100 AR, however. just be sure you're going to stick with sanders as the 5 strength will lock you in unless you respec.

    -charge does plenty even at just one point and maxing the vigor synergy. you may lack ar, however
    -ck boots only drop in cow level, yes.
    -there's calculators for everything.
    -one of the main sources for your res will be your shield. it'd be worth your time to stash the ed%/ar spirit though. i've never used one myself, but i do have one or two in my bag of mules
    -you dont have room for holy shield prebuff, just spend the point on it and your natural +skills will be fine.
    -dont use eth cs. you're bound to charge into someone on accident frequently enough so that eventually you'll have to get another. also if you miss the charge you sometimes wind up swinging your weapon at the target and the slower the speed of the weapon the longer you'll be in attack animation. use the fastest, hardest hitting (non eth) spirit sword your reqs allow or honor divine scepter (i'd have both on hand sometimes you'll want to be more of a hammerdin than a hybrid).
    -frozen orb isnt used in LLD as the naturally high mdr (and res) most characters have makes them do little to nothing. blizz sorcs are another thing

    one thing i meant to add at some point was that a rune staff insight is a fine weapon for a regular hammerdin that wants to do decent damage with charge switch. it has low reqs and does pretty good damage. you probably wouldnt mind the stats for a higher damage polearm since you're wanting to go more hybrid rout.

    ps. i was planning on answering your questions a while back, but your dickish reply to vknez kept me back from it. there's no need for that.



     
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    Re: Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

    Get out of here. Who you calling filthy mister 'I HAS 15 POSTS'. I apologized, go greave someone else.


    Ontopic

    Who do i mostly play as a level 30 hammerdin? There arent to many lvl 30 chars out there, so mostly i would be pplaying lvl 49 chars? (im europe)

    Wouldnt it be a sensible thing to just make a lvl 49 hammer, pump 10 pcombat skillers in there and see the damage skyrocket?

    Also, how to counter boners, who seem to like prisoning -.-



     
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    Re: Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

    most people on eu stay at 29. you can do that no problem since (unlike a blizz sorc with cold mastery), you dont gain a vital skill at 30. if you get into the "why do i need to stay at xx level" you'll start asking why would you LLD at all? it's the challenge of doing it at the lowest level, with the gear you have available. a level 29-30 wouldnt stand a chance against even a 42 (assuming they both know what they're doing).

    couple things about hammer vs bone:
    -if a bone mancer uses prison, they're not worth dueling. there's debate as to what's GM and what isnt, but prison is the easiest skill in LLD to call BM since most duelers at this level wont have access to teleport. why bother calling it a duel if you cant move?
    -you should be charging around hammering fast enough so they cant catch you
    -one hammer and it falls. you can get caught and still avoid getting hit with their spirits/spears
    -hammer vs bone if both are played well is a fun, challenging duel. i've been on both sides and have one and lost my fair share on both sides. dont let it be ruined by an idiot
     
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    Re: Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

    Your right.

    I remember what duelling always was like.

    BM, lvl 95 hammerdins lolling LLD games, NK, partying etc. At some point it was a miracle if yo stumbled across a nec who didnt BM.

    Nec may be the most BM char alive. Prison, minion stack etc. However, is prison Bm at high levels? I doubt it.
     
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    Re: Would this work? Lvl 30 hammercharger

    its bm vs non teleport chars, mainly shapers, altough i love when necro prison my hybrid wolf. its instant crash for game
     

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