Woman is kept alive to save unborn baby

Amra

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Woman is kept alive to save unborn baby

There is a lot to think about here.

What do you think you would do if you were the husband?


Woman is kept alive to save unborn baby
Survival hopes hinge on mom living at least a month more

By Richard Willing
USA TODAY

ARLINGTON, Va. — A 26-year-old pregnant woman with cancer whose brain function ceased last month is being kept alive with a respirator in hopes she can have a very premature baby who has a chance to survive.

Susan Torres, a researcher at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), lost consciousness May 7 when an undiagnosed brain tumor caused a stroke while she dined at home. Her husband, Jason Torres, says doctors told him Susan's brain functions have stopped.

Torres, also 26, says he decided to keep Susan on life support when doctors at Virginia Hospital Center here offered him the chance to disconnect the machines after they determined that she would not recover. He says he believes this is what his wife would have wanted.

A hospital spokesperson did not return calls and e-mails to discuss the case.

Against long odds, the baby Susan was carrying when she was stricken appears to be thriving after nearly 21 weeks of gestation, Torres says. If she can stay alive another month, and the cancer stays away from her uterus, the baby could be delivered and have a chance of surviving, he says. The couple has a 2-year-old son, Peter.

“I hate seeing her on those darned machines,†Torres says, “and I hate using her as a husk, a carrying case, because she herself is worth so much more. But Susan really wanted this baby. And she's a very — how should I put this? — a willful lady. That's probably why she's made it this far.â€

Since 1977, at least nine comatose women have given birth in the USA, according to research by the University of Connecticut's medical center. Women with aggressive melanoma, the skin cancer that spread to Susan's brain, have borne children in reported cases in the USA, the United Kingdom and Canada, though not all survived.

Susan's doctors tell Torres they know of no cases in which a brain-dead mother with melanoma has delivered a child, he says.

Torres has quit his job as a commercial printing salesman and has moved into Susan's hospital room. He speaks to his wife, making small talk about the family and letting her know what's on his schedule for the day. For Torres, the routine is something solid to grasp in a life he says “was blown to pieces†nearly six weeks ago and continues to be rocked by aftershocks.

Susan, for instance, has had pneumonia recently and is fighting a persistent fever. Torres says the couple's son is staying with grandparents but continues to ask, “Where's Mommy?†Saying “in the hospital†is wearing out as an answer, Torres says. And Torres' relationship with God, whom he has loved since childhood, is showing signs of strain. “Some days,†says Torres, an active Catholic, “I am pretty damned angry with him.â€

Torres and Susan, classmates at the University of Dallas, a Catholic liberal arts college, met during their sophomore year in Rome, while on the college's semester abroad program. Torres, large and blocky, says he was looking for a study partner who would help him finish his lessons quickly, so he could “hit the bars†with his rugby playing pals.

Susan, a serious student with a competitive streak of her own, fit the bill. The couple fell for each other quickly, firming up the bond through board games such as Monopoly and Risk.

“She'd dance around the room when she beat me†— and glower if Torres won, he says. It reminded Torres, the third of seven children, of the dynamics of his large family in Manassas, Va. Susan's good looks — blonde and willowy at about 5-foot-10 and 125 pounds — didn't hurt either.

Susan, from a vaguely Protestant background, became a Roman Catholic during their senior year. Hours after she was baptized, he asked her to marry him. “I figured my chances were better if I got her when she was in the mood for saying yes,†he says.

The couple married a year out of college, in May 2002, and welcomed son Peter 13 months later.

Susan, a biology major, liked her job working on malaria vaccines at NIH, Torres says. But she liked being a mother even more and was thrilled to become pregnant again at the beginning of 2005.

Susan had first developed melanoma, the most serious form of skin cancer, as a teenager in Houston, but had been cancer-free for nearly nine years.

So when Susan began to have headaches and nausea early last month, Torres says, there was no reason to suspect it was anything more than the miseries of early pregnancy. On May 6, the couple made an emergency room visit, where Susan was rehydrated, fed some bland crackers and sent home to rest.

The next night, while he was feeding Susan, “she just stopped,†Torres says. Using techniques he had learned as a lifeguard, Torres restarted his wife's breathing. Emergency medical technicians arrived in minutes. Four hours later, a still-dazed Torres was standing outside an operating room and hearing from a neurosurgeon that cancer had invaded Susan's brain.

A day after, when it was clear Susan had survived surgery, Torres faced an agonizing choice: keeping his wife on life support, with a slim chance of producing a live though perhaps disabled baby, or allowing her to die.

Unspoken, but hovering like a cloud: Picking the first option would be hugely costly. He'd be ground down by unimaginable debt. The couple has health insurance but expects it will cover only a fraction of the cost, currently running at least $7,500 a day, he says.

Torres wavered.

On a high school religion test, he once tackled a similar ethical problem — can you harm an unborn child in order to save its mother? But that was hypothetical. The exercise didn't offer much help here.

He and Susan had never talked about what to do in such circumstances. But Torres remembered that when Susan was pregnant with Peter, the couple had been offered tests to determine whether the child had Down syndrome or other genetic disorders. Susan, Torres recalls, was offended by the implication that if the child was compromised, she should end her pregnancy. She turned down the test.

That memory, and a nurse's advice to “think of what Susan would want,†clarified matters for Torres, he says.

“There's not a glimmer of doubt in my mind that this is what she would have wanted,†he says. “Any chance at all to save the baby, and Susan would have said, ‘Let's go for it.' â€

The road since then has been full of bumps. Susan contracted pneumonia, fought it off, then developed a fever that spiked at 104 degrees. When hospital attendants attempted to move her bed into a lab for tests, Susan's blood pressure fluctuated wildly. Her cancer, so far, seems to have stayed out of her uterus. But doctors give him no guarantees that will continue.

It's been a tough month in other parts of Torres' world. Two of his four grandparents have fallen ill. An uncle, who has cerebral palsy, is in declining health. Peter, who turned 2 on June 3, is beginning to connect his mother's long absence with “the idea that something is wrong,†Torres says.

It's difficult to watch Peter gravitate toward other women Susan's age who cross his path, Torres says. It's at best a mixed blessing to consider that he probably won't remember any of this, including his mother's features and the sound of her voice and the birthday dinner she had to miss.

“How many rocks are they going to throw in your cart before you can't pull it anymore†he says he asks himself. “The answer, apparently, is a lot.â€

Torres says he doesn't understand why his family has been singled out for suffering.

His mother, Karen — “she's way, way Catholic†— has told him “when the innocent suffer, great good is let loose in the world, and souls who wouldn't otherwise have gotten in reach heaven.†That's great, Torres says, but these days, his faith requires something more tangible. “I'm like, ‘OK, but can I get a list of those souls, in writing?' â€

Right now, the target is mid-July, when Susan will be about 25 weeks pregnant — 15 weeks short of a full pregnancy. That's the gestation age, doctors tell Torres, where a baby can survive though with a heightened risk of brain damage and vision and developmental problems.

Torres' goal is for Susan and the baby to reach the 30-week mark, when such risks are greatly diminished.

Torres knows that the baby's delivery date, when and if it comes, will be bittersweet. After the baby is born, Susan's body will be anointed in the Catholic tradition, and she'll be allowed to die.

“That could be a little rough,†he says.

“But I'm not focused there yet. The question I keep asking myself is: When this is over, do I get to take a baby home?â€
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I couldn't finish reading that article because I really don't want to start tearing up at work, but my god that hurts my heart to read. I think he's doing the absolute right thing, keeping her alive long enough to deliver the baby. I hope she makes it long enough to deliver their child and that can live on in spirit whereever she goes knowing that she left her legacy in that child. I also hope that the father does not insist on keeping the mother "alive" once the child is safely delivered--from what I read it does not sound like he will.
 

Carnage-DVS

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Dear god, what a tragic tragic thing to happen. I feel so sorry for the husband. I guess this way, he's just trying to preserve the last iota of his wife's memories and trying to get something good out of this horrible ordeal. I totally agree with his decision, and I'd imagine any mother out there would fully support him as well.
 

axeil

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No moral qualms here. Horrible tragedy though. I really feel bad for the 2 year old since he's not going to understand what happened.
 

nrabbit

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damn. thats a sad story. :( i can't say what is better for him to do since i haven't been in such a situation and i hope i never get to the point where i have to make such decision.
 

Steel_Avatar

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Well, he plans to take her off life support once the child is born. What makes her and Schiavo different? Where's the moral outrage?
 

Stevinator

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Steel_Avatar said:
Well, he plans to take her off life support once the child is born. What makes her and Schiavo different? Where's the moral outrage?
you won't catch any outrage from me. I'm sure she would rather he not blow all his money on her after she's gone. hopefully the baby will make it and his neighbors will give him a hand.
 

CyberHawk

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Steel_Avatar said:
Well, he plans to take her off life support once the child is born. What makes her and Schiavo different? Where's the moral outrage?

Will nations pray, will people cry for him....only if the media wants it obviously. I'd send him money to pay the bills if there was some sort of relief for him and his family. But will there be?
This was one ofthe points I was making when I hear people like Schiavo getting WORLDWIDE attention..yet these people will proably fade away like a common cold.

I will be thinking about these people FAR more than any Schiavo case. This is a tradegy..this involves several lives that will be altered for the rest of their lives. 1 case, deserves as much as the other....I want everything to give to these people...and the next ones, and you..and him. Comon media..lets make it happen.
 

axeil

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CyberHawk said:
Will nations pray, will people cry for him....only if the media wants it obviously. I'd send him money to pay the bills if there was some sort of relief for him and his family. But will there be?
This was one ofthe points I was making when I hear people like Schiavo getting WORLDWIDE attention..yet these people will proably fade away like a common cold.

I will be thinking about these people FAR more than any Schiavo case. This is a tradegy..this involves several lives that will be altered for the rest of their lives. 1 case, deserves as much as the other....I want everything to give to these people...and the next ones, and you..and him. Comon media..lets make it happen.
Amen to that. We need to hear more stories like this and less of this hyper-politicized **** these days.
 

Steel_Avatar

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That's what I was driving at. The situations are nearly identical, except that this woman has a fetus in her womb. So suddenly it's okay to pull the plug?
 

CyberHawk

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Steel_Avatar said:
That's what I was driving at. The situations are nearly identical, except that this woman has a fetus in her womb. So suddenly it's okay to pull the plug?

I hear ya 100%.

I know these people seem pretty relgious, and probably dont want media coverage...I understand completely. But I (me), EXPECT the media to follow up, make concern..help in anyway by showing this suffering, and maybe it could lead to some help from the rest ofthe world. But wait..they have a good family standing..no fighting amungst her survival..media wont touch it, becasue its got no dirt.
I dont want to make this thread about flameing media...but for some reason I just feel pissed off at them right now...guess its becasue I know 3 weeks from now..I wont be able to find out what ever happend to these folks..if the baby will survive..nothing.

I hope all goes well...in any way it could be for them.
 

Crispyknight

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I think the difference is that even after the autopsy, Schivo's brain injury remained a mystery. They still dont know what caused it, and her parents therefore could still hold irrational hope of recovery.

This woman is unquestionably dead. Even the most optimistic crazies can't possibly believe that this woman will recover.
 

myleftfoot

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Amra said:
There is a lot to think about here.

What do you think you would do if you were the husband?

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Not alot for me to think about. Have the baby, shut her off or just shut her off now. hmmm....
 
Crispyknight said:
I think the difference is that even after the autopsy, Schivo's brain injury remained a mystery. They still dont know what caused it, and her parents therefore could still hold irrational hope of recovery.
True, they didn't know what caused it, but they did determine that the damage was so extensive as to be irreversible. The parents are refusing to believe that. I guess irrational is the best word for it.

At any rate, this looks like its a local case (for Amra and I) as its in Arlington, so I'll do what I can to keep tabs on what happens if anyone wants updates.
 

maccool

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Steel_Avatar said:
Well, he plans to take her off life support once the child is born. What makes her and Schiavo different? Where's the moral outrage?
I'm guessing Torres isn't a pretty, white woman. No outrage needed in that case.
 

Stevinator

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maccool said:
I'm guessing Torres isn't a pretty, white woman. No outrage needed in that case.
I don't think that was it with terry, everyone was in a tizzy about that because of what the parent's did and said.
 

maccool

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After seeing DC's link, I am outraged! She must be kept alive. The United States has always supported a culture of life. The family's wants are not as important as votes in the midterm elections.

I really tried, but I still can't care.
 
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