Woman battering men, whoda thunk...

Hippie Holocost

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Woman battering men, whoda thunk...

I got in an agruement with my family tonight about the suffering of women.

Frankly, I know that in many societies women are treated horribly and I have seen it first hand, but on the other hand I am sick of hearing about "womens rights" and so forth...

I found two statistics on the internet tonight, one said that a woman is beaten by a spouse every 18 seconds and the other said that a man is beaten by his spouse every 14 seconds... (in the US).

heres the rant....

I'm so friggin sick of it. Some of the greatest leaders of human history were women (Queen Elizabeth, Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, etc.) yet if I say that woman aren't as "mistreated" as they are sometime made out to be, I'm a pig.

anyway comments....

Edit: Not really much of a rant but I'm not trying to be overly offensive tonight ;)
 

Anakha1

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Not many people realize that men are abused, too. It's incredibly underreported mostly because the victims don't want to be seen as weak for letting their wives or girlfriends abuse them. I doubt your statistics, though. There's never been a reputable study done on male abuse victimization precisely because there's no statistics to back it up due to the lack of reporting. It is, however, known to be much more frequent than most people realize.
 

Hippie Holocost

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Anakha1 said:
Not many people realize that men are abused, too. It's incredibly underreported mostly because the victims don't want to be seen as weak for letting their wives or girlfriends abuse them. I doubt your statistics, though. There's never been a reputable study done on male abuse victimization precisely because there's no statistics to back it up due to the lack of reporting. It is, however, known to be much more frequent than most people realize.

Well I know that domestic abuse statistics are usually inaccurate, but I figured that the error would even itself out to some extent, meaning that in general men are actually beaten more than women nowdays.
 

Anakha1

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Hippie Holocost said:
Well I know that domestic abuse statistics are usually inaccurate, but I figured that the error would even itself out to some extent, meaning that in general men are actually beaten more than women nowdays.
It depends on your definition of beating. A slap may constitute an assault, which is probably what they're including, but overall women are still beaten worse than men. The assaults on women are almost always more vicious and damaging. I'm fairly sure they're still beaten more frequently, too, but I have no stats to back it up for the reasons stated above.
 

Hippie Holocost

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Anakha1 said:
It depends on your definition of beating. A slap may constitute an assault, which is probably what they're including, but overall women are still beaten worse than men. The assaults on women are almost always more vicious and damaging. I'm fairly sure they're still beaten more frequently, too, but I have no stats to back it up for the reasons stated above.

well thats a generalzation that men are stronger than women. While I can agree with that, the strength of the slap is irrelevant because I believe the emotion distress is the same, either way womens suffering in the US is WAY exxagerated now days...
 

Anakha1

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Hippie Holocost said:
either way womens suffering in the US is WAY exxagerated now days...
What's your basis for such a statement? Spousal abuse is a serious, prevailing and frequent problem in the U.S and Canada. Wife abuse is not any more important than husband abuse, but it's certainly not blown out of proportion. I don't think it's exagerated at all.
 

Hippie Holocost

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Anakha1 said:
What's your basis for such a statement? Spousal abuse is a serious, prevailing and frequent problem in the U.S and Canada. Wife abuse is not any more important than husband abuse, but it's certainly not blown out of proportion. I don't think it's exagerated at all.

Well it certainly steals the show, since it is obvious that woman beating men doesn't exactly hit the front page.... I know that spousal abuse is a problem, and of course its not good. But it is not a rampant problem. only 7% (about 10 years ago, that was the lastest I found) of women admit to being abused. Now of course the real number is actually higher than that, but it is still a minority of couples in the US. And my original facts still stand, while there may be error, the error most likely does not change the point I was making....
 

Anakha1

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Hippie Holocost said:
Well it certainly steals the show, since it is obvious that woman beating men doesn't exactly hit the front page.... I know that spousal abuse is a problem, and of course its not good. But it is not a rampant problem. only 7% (about 10 years ago, that was the lastest I found) of women admit to being abused. Now of course the real number is actually higher than that, but it is still a minority of couples in the US. And my original facts still stand, while there may be error, the error most likely does not change the point I was making....

Sorry, but you're wrong. I don't know where you got that 7% but it's horribly innacurate and out of date. More than 50% of women have been in an abusive relationship at one point in their lives. Between 30-50% of murdered women are killed from domestic violence. 95% of abusive relationships are against women, with the remaining 5% against men. It's not blown out of proportion. It's a serious problem.
 

Hippie Holocost

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Anakha1 said:
Sorry, but you're wrong. I don't know where you got that 7% but it's horribly innacurate and out of date. More than 50% of women have been in an abusive relationship at one point in their lives. Between 30-50% of murdered women are killed from domestic violence. 95% of abusive relationships are against women, with the remaining 5% against men. It's not blown out of proportion. It's a serious problem.


that 50% most likely includes all types of abuse, such as verbal etc. my 7% was strictly physical in 1994
 

Hippie Holocost

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thejdawg2 said:
Do you have the cite on the original source? I'm really curious to read about it.


I'm about to start studying for my SOCL exam (yes at 2 in the morning) but i'll try to find it again for you, I googled it but I remember that they had their works cited...
 

Anakha1

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Hippie Holocost said:
that 50% most likely includes all types of abuse, such as verbal etc. my 7% was strictly physical in 1994
No, actually it only includes violent assault.

Edit: Your sample is out of date. Current U.S. Justice stats put the number of assaults on female partners at over 22% with men at over 7%. I have stats at home that put the number much higher.
 

Hippie Holocost

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Anakha1 said:
No, actually it only includes violent assault.

hmm better make sure, because what I have says that 7% of all married women were physically abused, while 37% were emtionally or verbally abused...
 

Anakha1

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Intimate partner violence -- by current or former spouses,
boyfriends, or girlfriends -- made up 20% of all nonfatal
violence against females age 12 or older in 2001.

* The number violent crimes by intimate partners against
females declined from 1993 to 2001. Down from 1.1 million
nonfatal violent crimes by an intimate in 1993, women
experienced about 588,490 such crimes in 2001.

* In 1993 men were victims of about 162,870 violent crimes
by an intimate partner. By 2001 that total had fallen to an
estimated 103,220 victimizations.

* Intimate partner violence made up 20% of all nonfatal
violent crime experienced by women in 2001. Intimate partners
committed 3% of the nonfatal violence against men.

* For intimate partner violence, as for violent crime in
general, simple assault was the most common type of crime.

* 1,247 women and 440 men were killed by an intimate partner
in 2000. In recent years an intimate killed about 33% of
female murder victims and 4% of male murder victims.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/ipv01.txt

Intimate partner violence is pervasive in U.S. society. Nearly 25 percent of
surveyed women and 7.5 percent of surveyed men said they were ***** and/or
physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, or date
at some time in their lifetime; 1.5 percent of surveyed women and 0.9 percent
of surveyed men said they were ***** and/or physically assaulted by a partner
in the previous 12 months. According to these estimates, approximately 1.5
million women and 834,732 men are ***** and/or physically assaulted by an
intimate partner annually in the United States. Because many victims are
victimized more than once, the number of intimate partner victimizations
exceeds the number of intimate partner victims annually. Thus, approximately
4.9 million intimate partner rapes and physical assaults are perpetrated against
U.S. women annually, and approximately 2.9 million intimate partner physical
assaults are committed against U.S. men annually. These findings suggest that
intimate partner violence is a serious criminal justice and public health concern.
My stats from my criminology classes puts the number much higher, but take what you will from it. It's a lot higher now than 7%, though.

http://ncjrs.org/txtfiles1/nij/181867.txt

Edit: I just realized why my stats are much higher. Mine are statisics from women 12 and over, while this one is from 18 and over.
 

Hippie Holocost

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Anakha1 said:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/ipv01.txt



My stats from my criminology classes puts the number much higher, but take what you will from it. It's a lot higher now than 7%, though.

http://ncjrs.org/txtfiles1/nij/181867.txt

Edit: I just realized why my stats are much higher. Mine are statisics from women 12 and over, while this one is from 18 and over.

I'll be back tommorow with the web sites I got my information from, but right now I honestly don't have the time. I'm trying to dodge you here, I promise I'll try to get back to you soon with more information...
 

Maverikk

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In related news, my sister was recently arrested for beating the complete crap out of her boyfriend in a drunken stupor. I remember the days when she used to smack me around.

Women demand respect and fear.
 

Anakha1

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I would no sooner let a woman get away with smacking me than I would let a man get away with hitting me.
 

Yaboosh

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**** is one of the most underreported crimes. Male **** is probably even less often reported. And yes, male **** is possible.

It is a shame that social stigmas prevent the reporting of these serious crimes.

Domestic abuse, though, is a very difficult concept for police and our criminal justice system in general to handle. It isnt best for many of these beaters to arrest them. This can make the situation worse. For some, it helps. There is not much way of knowing.
 
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