I'm not a mathematician, either, but I do remember that the average overall damage of Windforce is greater. However, I have finally had the opportunity to compare a Windforce with a BOTD hydra bow, and I believe the BOTD bow owns all, hands down. While Windforce has a higher max dmg, BOTD hydra has a higher min dmg and seems to be faster. Has anyone done the numbers on this?Firey_chasm said:I dont know the exact numbers since I have never owned an upped buriza lol but wf owns, and I think that most ppl prefer wf for the following reasons
2. I think the damage is quite similar
3. upped buri needs 163 str I think it needs about 140 with hel in while wf only requires 134 and you can then stick a 40/15 jewel in or ohm
4. wf has knockback
Although upped buri has sum cold damage there are better bows out there to have on switch to deal with physical immunes.
I cant pretend ime an expert on this topic though, so i wouldnt mind someone telling me if ime right or wrong lol :\
Ahh, err. Unless it's changed since the beta, I didn't think you could upgrade a buriza- it is one of the uniques singled out for no upgrade. At least thats how it was in the beta. I haven't played any bowies yet on the ladder, so I could be wrong about this.importpsycho said:which would do more damage?
Well, no offense, but I'd have to say that's a shame then. The buriza was already over-powered, which was why they left it out of the upgrade path in the beta. Oh well, in the scheme of all the over-powered items they added to the game (hoto, CoH, etc,), on top of the uber-cheese exploit called the hammeradin, I guess a slightly more powerful buriza is small potatos.Cambylobacter said:then it has changed
*pats his Buriza, Colossus Crossbow*
Not sure I agree with that. One of the biggest things that made Buriza so powerful in 1.09 was the 100% pierce. Since guided arrows can't pierce in 1.10, I'd say that even an upgraded Buriza isn't all that wonderful. Compare it to a WF for instance. The average damage is about the same. Buriza has nice cold damage, but WF has KB and ML. And as always, crossbows are incredibly slow. Plus a colossus xbow takes 163 strength to equip. Sure a Buriza colossus crossbow is a great weapon, but it's not as overpowered as some people make it sound.nebby said:Well, no offense, but I'd have to say that's a shame then. The buriza was already over-powered, which was why they left it out of the upgrade path in the beta.
Particularly when you consider Broncobiv's calculations above (thanks, Bronco!).Broncobiv2 said:Not sure I agree with that. One of the biggest things that made Buriza so powerful in 1.09 was the 100% pierce. Since guided arrows can't pierce in 1.10, I'd say that even an upgraded Buriza isn't all that wonderful. Compare it to a WF for instance. The average damage is about the same. Buriza has nice cold damage, but WF has KB and ML. And as always, crossbows are incredibly slow. Plus a colossus xbow takes 163 strength to equip. Sure a Buriza colossus crossbow is a great weapon, but it's not as overpowered as some people make it sound.
Why, yes, yes it is. Some people will want to kick me for even attempting the analogy, but I used to have a zon with Cleglaws and Burrito, and I told people it was my "poor person's windforce."Cambylobacter said:Oh, and to be fair, I've found about 6 Buriza's but never even seen a Windforce. Isn't WF way rarer than Buriza?
I mentioned the 100% pierce on Buriza, and I said that it wasn't as helpful anymore because Guided can no longer pierce. Now pierce will obviously help with something like Freezing Arrow, but again, Buriza is too slow to be truly efficient with that.Boooyakasha said:One advantage of Buriza has been missed out. It has 100% Pierce. So if you have decided the end game equipment with Buriza you can completely ignore the Pierce skill and use it in something else. Buriza also +35 DEX which effectively +35% more to your bow damage.
This is the best bow a hybrid zon can have. You can get pass with 5 point in Pierce and do not need to worry about the Pierce % when switch to Bow attack. The slower frame attack is actually better to use to clean up the remaining monsters with Strafe after a few round of fury, while the fast speed bow will lose out half of it Strafe arrows as the Next-Delay thing kick in. But the most important of all is the availability of it
You'd be surprised how big a deal that 20 IAS can be. Assuming a character is NOT wearing 60% IAS armor, then that 20 IAS basically saves you an equipment slot.Broncobiv2 said:BotD has 20% more IAS than a Shaeled WF, but that isn't a big deal because you can hit the last breakpoint fairly easily with either 40% or 60% IAS. Based purely on damage, a WF on a high level character kills a BotD hydra.
Strafe has a 4 frames Next-Delay, which means if one arrow hit, the next arrows in between 4 frames that hit him will miss. For a fast bow that can do 2 frame Strafe easily, you will miss out 1-2 arrows out of 3 arrows. When Strafing most of the time you will shoot a few arrows to a monster, which most of it will miss if you have 2 frame Strafe.Broncobiv2 said:As far as strafe goes, unless you can somehow scrounge up 215% IAS (possible, but not preferable), each arrow of strafe is going to be shot at 3.5 frames. Compare that to 3 frames, or 2 a lot of the time, for bows, and you'll see that Buriza is a really bad idea for strafe.
And I'm not really sure what you mean by the Next-Delay thing, so I can't comment on that.