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Discussion in 'PvP' started by BlackMonkey, Oct 11, 2006.

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  1. BlackMonkey

    BlackMonkey IncGamers Member

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    Why?

    ok maybe i'm such A NOOB i dont even know this.... but why is grief sooo good? or if it is phase blade or zerker axe plz reply fast!!!
     
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    faceinthecrowd IncGamers Member

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    Grief is good because it automatically adds 300-w/e dmg to 400 to any physical attack. This increases the dmg base for smite and all other attacks as well. It doesn't, however, show up in the dmg screen.
     
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    Uchiha Sasuke Banned

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    Not exactly true (dosn't add to assassin kicks) but yeah. Also, since it's +dmg, it gets multiplied by more. (I think)
     
  4. riath

    riath IncGamers Member

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    I'm fairly sure that +dmg doesn't go through extra multipliers. +400 is just high, reliable damage. Grief is used widely simply because of its damage. It isn't a zillion times better than, say, BotD, but better enough to warrant its popularity.

    The only example where Grief offers something no other weapon even comes close to rivaling is with smite, because the +dmg is added straight to the shield damage.
     
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    ToThePoint IncGamers Member

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    it does get multiplied ofc - 400 is useless otherwise.
     
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    Is it really? Lets say that u got +340 dmg grief (lowest possible). It adds 340 MIN and MAX dmg, so ur dmg would be 24-71 + 340-340 = 364-411. And avarage dmg would be 387,5. (this is berserker axe)

    Lets compare this to Botd (berserker axe).

    Perfect (400% ed) botd dmg is 180-530, So it's avarage dmg is 355.

    So even lowest grief ba got 387,5-355 = 32,5 better avarage dmg than perfect Botd ba and that's why people use grief in pvp, instead of botd (most use).

    As u can see, it's just math:tongue: . Hope this helped a little.
     
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    you appear to be arguing with me but read what i wrote
    the only reason you can compare them like that is because of what i just said.
    If it didn't then you couldn't compare in that manner and it would be useless like i said.
     
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    I just argued what riath said. And how u can say that it's useless? I can't really see the point..
     
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    In the smite damage formula the +damage from grief is indeed multiplied by any off-weapon %ED. I can imagine it would be the same for other formulas that includes it, such as whirlwind and the like.
     
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    Tothepoint seems to mean that if the 400 wouldnt be multiplied, it would be useless. But since it does infact get multiplied, its useful. The "otherwise" word is kinda crucial for the sentence.
     
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    yes thnx pedu.
     
  12. diablomasterr

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    tothepoint dnt no wat hes talkin about

    grief does **** dmg use botd or last wish over dat **** anyday
     
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    I beseech thee oh Master of Diablo, adress thine spelling and thine grammer for surely it brings hurt to our eyes...



    Grief does more average damage per blow... so if you hit someone three times, Grief does more damage. Unfortunately, this does not show up in the character screen, that's why we all call this the LCS, or Lying Character Screen. But then again, I am fairly certain you will not respond to reason.
     
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    diablomasterr Banned

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    address* man lern englisch

    wat's avrg dmg for neway why hav good avrg dmg wen u can hit em for 12k+ damag if ur lucky
     
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    If some1 can't speak (write) so good english, i think u should keep it as ur own information. What can he do about it? Sure practice and learn more, but still..

    and what if u are unlucky? then u can die or lose a nice change to kill some1.
     
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    don't know why people are still bringing this question up, but it has been answered many times already. (personaly i answered 3-4 times already)

    Average damage is what really counts. you can't depend on lucky roll all the time. plus the highest damage from perfect ebotd zerk is not that much far away with the perfect grief zerker.
    perfect 415% ebotd zerker is: 185- 548 (366.5 average damage)
    perfect +400 grief zerekre can be treated as: 424- 471 (447.5 average damage)

    the max damage difference is 77 compare to 239 min damage difference
    and the average damage different is 81.
     
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    Says the guy who writes "lern", "englisch", "hav", "avrg", "dmg", "wen", "em" "wat'sT "damag" and "ur".

    12k? Nice fictional number. You can at MOST hit 8.5k max with Botd? Or are you one of those fools who counts both weapons damage and then says it's the total damage? Rofl.

    Let me show you:
    EBotdZ
    Min damage: 2382
    Max damage: 7046
    Average damage:4714
    Different damage units: 4664
    Number of damage units that do better damage than Grief: 360
    Percentage of time EBotdZ>GriefZ:7.7%
    Percentage of EBotdZ=GriefZ: 14.3%
    Percentage of GriefZ>EBotdZ: 78%

    GriefZ
    Min damage: 6019
    Max damage: 6686
    Average damage: 6353
    Different damage units:667

    Now:
    Percentage of time EBotdZ>GriefZ:7.7%
    Percentage of EBotdZ=GriefZ: 14.3%
    Percentage of GriefZ>EBotdZ: 78%

    See? Grief is better 78% of the time, equal 14.3% of the time and worse only 7.7% of the time.
     
  18. sirmessbu

    sirmessbu IncGamers Member

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    Olba , how about we all try and avoid diablomasterr post and ignore him a bit. Let's be the wise guyz that don't get involved in flaming war.

    I went trough his post history and he clearly play with peoples and troll around.


    As for the 12k damage he speaks of is when using an etheral ghostspear botd.
     
  19. diablomasterr

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    man dont discriminate me just becos my barb is gona be better dan urs with botd war pike

    grief is **** wepon wat proof do u hav dat it does 8k dmg wen i use it it says it does 1.5k dmg which is ****
     
  20. Ce Olba

    Ce Olba Banned

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    Funny.

    That's obviously max damage, as you will have 9200 average with perfect ebotd gpa. And even that's pathetic, you can have as much as 16917 max damage with an EBotd GPA easily.

    Guess I should simply not bother...

    And hell, Grief + Beast can do a maximum of 13.2k and that's not even counting any OW or CB.

    You know, games have errors too. One of the errors is the way +damage (such as Astreon's and Grief) are not shown on the character screen.

    And how do I prove this? Simple. Diablo is based totally on maths. Knowing how the +damage works, I can easily calculate the damage it will do.
     
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