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Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

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  1. slam

    slam IncGamers Member

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    Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    Watch this video before answering: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSQc9LHSXp8

    Yes, obviously he has modified the game, but that's not the point - that's just to prove there is a bug with 2 frame strafe.

    Can anyone comment on this?

    Should we all be trying for 9/3 instead of 9/2 or 8/2?
     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    I'd consider that bug to already be well known around here.

    Yes, there's not point trying to achieve a 2 frame follow up so aiming for 9/3 is a better idea. However since there's such a small difference between 10/3 and 9/3 you really don't even have to aim for 9/3 either if you'll be sacrificing something else to reach it.

    That said I prefer using both strafe and multi, so I'll still need to get the IAS to hit my multi breakpoint of choice.
     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    I had just read some guides in the stickies, and the recommendations were for wearing the gear to get to 8/2.... maybe they were kinda old.

    Thanks for the confirmation.
     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    So, I had gone with an Act 1 Faith Merc, but since I'm a Strafer, and now I'm shooting for a 3 frame follow up rather than the 2 frame bugged follow up, doesn't it make more sense for me to ditch the Faith Merc and get and Act 2 Might Merc?

    Reason being is that I want to use Laying of Hands, and in conjunction with Windforce, this would bring me to 40% IAS which is 8/2 which I do not want (only 35% IAS is needed thanks to Level 15 Fanaticism). So long story, short, I can't avoid being at the bugged strafe speed with the Act 1 Faith Merc.

    Without the Faith Merc, 46% would get me to 10/3 (Windforce with a 40/15 and Laying of Hands for instance), or 80% would get me to 9/3 (add Andy's with a 40/15).
     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    For Strafe only with Windforce, you dont need any more IAS. So the Might merc(with Pride), is a better option yes.
     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    My build is this:
    20 Strafe
    20 Critical Strike
    20 Penetrate
    10 Valk (17 after + skills)
    2 Pierce (100% Pierce with Razortail after + skills)

    So where should I put the rest of my points? More in Valk? Dodge/Avoid/Evade? Decoy? Or do I max Guided Arrow for bosses - is it necessary for bosses?
     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    I would boost Valk.
     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    Is Guided necessary at all with a Strafe build? Even with the 1 point there as a prerequisite for Strafe, are you using Guided over Strafe for bosses for instance?
     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    It's still ok against Baal if you have mana problems or ar problems.
    With good items and high level char I use only strafe against bosses.



     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    IMO there's no point in actively avoiding the bugged 2 frame follow-up. It's not going to hurt you in any way.

    If you're using any skill other than strafe there's good reason to stack up on IAS. If you're exclusively using strafe, it would make more sense to maximize your damage with a 3 frame follow-up, but still there's no point in avoiding gear that puts you in the 2 frame follow-up range.

    Other things to consider are breakpoints when decrepified or influenced by a holy freeze aura.



     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    Well for what other reason? More attacks of course.
     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    If you watch the video and read the thread, you'll see that there is no such thing as a 2 frame strafe.



     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    Dont even worry about it unless you use strafe *exclusively* and the ias is sacrificing damage instead. Otherwise, if you also fire GA, multi or any other attack, then you'll need that ias anyways and it won't hurt your strafe so the bug is kindof a moot point and it doesn't matter much except for PURE strafers.
     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    Is the 2fpa bug only against one target? I would think against multi targets it still helps to shoot 2fpa
     
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    Re: Why would anyone ever want a 2 frame Strafe?

    It doesn't have anything to do with targets. You don't actually shoot 2 fpa serverside, but 3 fpa.
     

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