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Why use Eth Bartucs?

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  1. jtam

    jtam IncGamers Member

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    Why use Eth Bartucs?

    I was wondering why people want to use Eth Bartucs?

    For a Martial Artist, it would break and not be able to be repaired, and for a trapsin, there would be no point as it's not giving extra +skills.

    Can anyone clear this up? I'm pretty new so this might be a stupid question.
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    The damage is nice as well as +20 attributes, you can zod it so it won't break
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    Don't both the Eth and not Eth Bartucs give +20 attributes? And putting a Zod in that, isn't that a waste?
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    i didn't see people wanting eth bartcus.
    eth only give a bonus increase in damage and slightly lesser requirements.
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    Normally, people don't want eth Bartuc's.
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    eth bartucs give more damage and requires 10 strength/dexterity less
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    I've seen some people use them as budget trapper weapons.
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    Tucs give stats/decent dmg/speed/fhr, they are cheap and so are zods.
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    I can see a P eth upped bartuc as a great ww offhand alternative instead of fury.
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    I'm pretty sure it means to put an eth rune into a bartucs. IIrc that ignores 25% of the enemies' defense or something, leading to more hits, more charges, more damage.
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    Because ethereal items are sexy. Ever wonder why eth 40 hoto is worth a lot more than non eth? well thats why. the sexiness.
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    Its because people dont know better! Zod'ing a eth bartuc is plain stupid! This is why:

    Note.
    If the bartuc has 200 % ed, the average damage is calculated by: ((maxdmg-mindmg)/2)+mindmg.

    Bartuc: dmg (77.5-**) To (137.5-155)

    So if we have a bartuc with 200 % ed the average one-hand damage wil be: ((155-**)/2)+**=121.5

    Upped Bartuc: dmg (85-97) To (160-182)
    Avg dmg = ((182-**)/2)+** = 135

    Eth Upped Bartuc: dmg (115-133) To (215-248)
    Avg dmg = ((248-133)/2)+133 = 190,5

    But let us look at sockets for a while.
    If we were to socket a perfect ed non-eth upped Bartuc with a Ohm (50 % ed), instead of Zod'ing a eth one, the damage enduced would be:
    min dmg enduced: 97*0,50=48,5
    max dmg enduced: 182*0,50=91

    A perfect ed bartuc sockeded with an Ohm, would have a one-hand damage of: (145,5-273)
    The average damage would be:
    ((273-145,5)/2)+145,5 = 209,25

    209,25!!!

    So, in conclusion, we can definitely say that a perfect ed upped Bartuc sockeded with an Ohm would be the best option! To hell with the eth upped Bartuc. When it comes to dmg, I prefer 209,25 instead of 190,5.
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    Your calculations are wrong. The %ED gets added to the %ED already present on the Bartuc's.

    A perfect upped non-eth Bartuc's with an Ohm does 34*(1+250/100) +(25+50)/2 = 156.5 average damage.
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    My calculations are not wrong...
    However, I did not know that the %ED gets added to the %ED already present on the Bartuc's.
    So, in conclusion, what does this mean? A higher claw damage is achieved with a upped eth bartuc than with a upped ohm'ed non-eth bartuc, if we assume they both have a same number of %ed?
    Nice to know about "%ED gets added to the %ED already present on the Bartuc's."
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    Ok, then the assumptions around your calculations are wrong. Tomato, Tomato. :tongue:

    156.5 < 190.5. So yes.



     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    Is it even possible to have an ethereal upgraded Bartuc's? I thought that you lose the ethereal bonus when you upgrade?
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    That was on armours only and was fixed quite a while ago.
     
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    Re: Why use Eth Bartucs?

    OK thanks for the answer, dainbramage.

    That means the Ethereal Bartuc's needs at least 133,333% enhanced damage to be better than a perfect upped non-eth Bartuc's with an Ohm. This will always happen since 150% is minimum.
    In conclusion, any zoded ethereal upgraded Bartuc's is better than a non-ethereal upgraded Bartucs with Ohm rune.
     
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    Old thread, but I did want to throw my two cent into the ring based on the fact that many people would prefer a non-eth Bartuc's not for an Ohm, but for a 40/15. Tuc's has no IAS on it, so as an offhand for WW, you'd want to add some IAS at a minimum. I can't remember the breakpoint exactly right now, but I may even go as far as a Shael, at least until the 40/15 was available. A smidge less damage but much faster with the mods? Excellent.

    Regardless, I would still much prefer Fury as a mainhand with Choas on the left because of IDT. With that as a mainhand attribute, IIRC, both claws will gain that bonus which makes for much easier PvM play. Everything you want from the Chaos: the WW, the strength, the magic damage, etc all hit with the claw regardless, so best to put something in your mainhand that enhances both. DS, OW, defense pierce, attack rating and life leech for both the Fury and Chaos.
     
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    Dang, this is oldddd. But... my two cents...

    I think that an eth Bartucs that isn't upped makes a great twinking weapon for furysins, because you get some really impressive damage from a relatively low-level item before your end-game gear is usable. If you're playing on /p8, you could easily equip that before Baal without having to rerun areas to grind out exp. Its low requirements, high damage, stats increase, ar boost, fhr, and ll. All in one killer claw, with +2 asn skills as icing on the cake.
    ...I think you can use it with a kicker as well without depleting its durability.
     

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