Why the stigma towards anni and torch? Hey all, I've been browsing through the sp forums and have noticed quite all the negative attention these two items seem to get here. As I'm a bnet player who's recently made the switch to SP, I'm just interested in getting opinions of why? I totally understand that they're powerful items, as I've killed several dclones and done over a 100 uber trist runs solo. Which is why I'm wondering why such "hatred" when the game does make you earn it (at least for the most part). With the anni, I totally hate the means of spawning a dclone, which I won't discuss in case that's a violation of this forums rules. Suffice it to say, it makes no sense to me. But as far as actually fighting and beating a dclone, I would hope to be well-rewarded. Short of a very well geared character (read expensive), he's going to be quite the challenge. My very first dclone kill was with a CL/FO sorc. I still remember it fondly as it was one of the toughest moments I had in D2. As for the torch, the quests themselves can't be done by just anyone, as the bosses are far more difficult than their normal counterparts. If anything, the reward is often not worth the time and effort as most torches have little value. If anything, I hate the ctc on it, but +3 class skills doesn't seem to me like overkill when you consider what you have to kill to get it. Stats and resist to me are only fair. But again, I made my bnet wealth off torch running last season, so I may be a bit biased. For those of you that detest the anni and torch, have you killed a dclone on bnet, or run a solo ubertrist? Or have you done neither and its more a matter of just feeling it too powerful? As I've done both, I can vouch that neither is an easy task to undertake. I realize they're not available for use on these forums according to the rules, so I would expect most people that have a negative view to strictly be SP players. But for those of you (if any) who play both (or have played) SP and Bnet (closed of course), do you feel the same negativity towards these items? And again, whether you like them or not, I make no judgement, not that it should matter. I'd just like to see the varying perspectives.