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Why not King Slayer RW for an avenger?

Discussion in 'Paladin' started by Ebon Knight, Jun 28, 2005.

  1. Ebon Knight

    Ebon Knight IncGamers Member

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    Why not King Slayer RW for an avenger?

    30% Increased Attack Speed (Nice saught after stat)
    +230-270% Enhanced Damage (varies) (more than cresent moon)
    -25% Target Defense (useless to an avenger but still ever little bit helps)
    20% Bonus To Attack Rating (kinda like - DF)
    33% Chance of Crushing Blow (Nice for any pally type)
    50% Chance of Open Wounds (also nice for any pally)
    +1 To Vengeance (one less point for your build. spend on HS or a utility skill)
    Prevent Monster Heal (great for boss's along w/ CB)
    +10 To Strength (more damage though minimal)
    40% Extra Gold From Monsters (hey, i get greedy from time to time as well. Gamble away)

    so my question is, why not? I never hear mention of this and it seems obvious that it is made for an avenger. also obvious is the fact that it's not mentioned/used for a reason. but what is that reason...?
     
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    Superhal IncGamers Member

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    now that you mention it, i would definitely use it, although not for a pally.

    imho, vengance is too slow a skill for crushing blow.
     
  3. Ebon Knight

    Ebon Knight IncGamers Member

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    Even for PvM?

     
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    koeraokse IncGamers Member

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    so you only want to put 20 points into vengeance with +skills? no more for extra dmg?

    :cheesy:
    *priit
     
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    doom is better for an avenger. But if u cant afford, then kingslayer stands out quite good.
     
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    Superhal IncGamers Member

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    yep, go ahead and try it. what really irritates me about anything that uses normal swing ias breakpoints is how often you get interrupted during it for hit recovery or blocking. the only one barely usable is barb concentrate.
     
  7. Ebon Knight

    Ebon Knight IncGamers Member

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    some avenger builds only put between 1-5 points in vegeance (to save mana ). you get more damage from the defense aura syns anyway...



    I think i will try it. maybe in an ettin axe. atleast until some time in hell when i can afford a doom or another big ticket RW. it would be perfect if the RW was good for eth weapons. i'll let you guys know how it works out... though i may change my mind and do oath if i can find a good eth weapon...


     
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    Hmmz so its kinda useless to max vengeance?
     
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    Superhal IncGamers Member

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    just my opinion:

    1. if you have a enough damage on the weapon, the elemental damage will be huge with a very low vengeance.

    2. conversely, no matter how much damage the weapon has, the multiplier from vengeance is massive, roughly every single point will give 30 points of elemental damage, or a 3000% increase, so a high level vengeance is not a waste.

    3. like all attack skills, vengeance comes with AR, so a high lvl is pretty mandatory.
     
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    nope, vegence does not work that way.

    Let say u have 500 dmg zerk axe and with lvl6 vegeance (which give u 100% elemental bonus)

    500 x 2 = 1000 fire dmg, 1000 cold dmg, 1000 light dmg, 500 physical dmg.
    However, each point u put in vegence only increase 6%, while put in syngery gives u 10%, (excpet for salvation which gives 2%) and is not worth it to increase vegeance lvl cuz u will need more mana per swing. (and vengeance does not leech unless u got high physical dmg) so ur dmg boost does not boost by 1000%.

    The ar can be provided from angelic setup or charms.
     
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    K this info is very usefull thx. :thumbsup:
     
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    that 3000% info is an oft-quoted part of the faq. also, i'm not saying a low vengeance with a high weapon will give 3000%, but a maxxed out vengeance with any weapon will.
     
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    yes, i got ur point. But ur dmg does not increase 3000%. Remember, vegeance deals elemental, not physical. Even with high vegeance with all three max sygnergies will boost around 700~800% elemental dmg to ur main weapon, not 3000%.

    If ur saying vegeance will increase 3000% dmg, then it will kill faster than an zealot. 500 physical dmg + 100fire dmg + 100cold dmg + 100light dmg does not equal 800 physical dmg. (it appears the dmg on ur screen but that doesnt mean u dish out 800 dmg directly, physical and elemental dmg is sparate. each elements is dmg calculation is separate as well.)
     
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    what you're forgetting is that it's in 3 elements. so 800% X 3.
     
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    yes, is in 3 elements. But as i mention above, each elements dmg calculation is separate when takes into effect. Monsters have all resistances that's why vegeance doesnt kill them in one-hit.
     
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    here I posted why I think Death Eth Ettin axe RW is the best choice. If you need I could explain / calculate it more thoroughly why is this the best (IMO) for an avenger. Keep in mind that damage per time is the main factor in deciding.
     
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    Gee, I'd love to see a 3,000% boost on my avenger!

    210-261 weapon. 348/348/358% vengeance (lvl 20/10/10/11). 41-61 extra off weapon damage (travs min/max jewels) and all my LSK shows is 3457-4531 total vengeance damage.
    Thats only around a 1,400% boost. A far cry from 3,000%. maybe 3,000% is with level 20 synergies and 10 lion branded's in the back pack?
     

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