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Why not do mf runs in the hole

Discussion in 'Single Player Forum' started by Draxer, Mar 28, 2004.

  1. Draxer

    Draxer IncGamers Member

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    Why not do mf runs in the hole

    I was messing with the drop calcularter on atma and it says monsters can drop any item in the hole why has nonoe bothered to run the hole instead of the pits?
     
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    DeathMaster IncGamers Member

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    Are you sure? I forgot what level is the hole, but it is not 85. Therefore, it cannot drop TC87 items.

    edit: I just did a quick search, Tyreal's might cannot be found there.
     
  3. Draxer

    Draxer IncGamers Member

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    Ok i see.But it can drop up to windforce.
     
  4. farting bob

    farting bob Banned

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    can it be found anywhere?? :lol:
     
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    I checked the drop chances in Hole too...it seems Hole lvl 2 could be worth running but Hole lvl 1 is not. In Pit you will have about 8x better chances to get Windforce than in Hole lvl 1 and you can't get all items in Hole. After all I woud say Pit is much better
     
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    An area does not have to be level 85 for TC87s to drop in it. Normal monsters in areas of level 83+ can drop TC87s, and boss monsters in areas of level 80+ can. However, there are two grades of chances of dropping TC87, one with small chance and another which is about 9 times as good for armour and 8 times as good for weapons. Only area 85 regular monsters (82+ bosses) get this higher chance.

    As well as the worse chance at dropping the top TC, being in a lower level area means lower mlvl, which means a larger group of unique items that can't be dropped even if the right TC can be dropped.
     
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    ill pretend if i knew all that thrugg said before...
    so in summary, yes, you can the good items in the hole, but youd have to do 8 times more runs on average to get that windforce or azurewrath, and 9 times more runs to get your tyraels. so we run pit. :)
     
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    9 X 1 lifetime = ... :lol:

    Z_O
     
  9. nikstone

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    Hej Draxer, its nice that you brought this up.

    In my experience I have learned that the most important thing is luck.
    So wherever you are lucky or what brings you luck, do it.

    I dont care much about the chances of some items to be dropped.
    I only care about what a monster can drop.

    For example:

    Pindelskin has a much better chance to drop a Gheeds Fortune then some high elite items.
    He has dropped me numerous Grand Charms by now but never a Gheeds Fortune.
    On the other side the first Sccissors Suwayyah he dropped me were Natalyas Mark, the first Gilded Shield he dropped me was a Herald od Zakarum,

    Or:
    Tresh Socket has a much better chance to drop me a Gut Siphon then Griswolds Shield. It took me a month and a half to get my first Gut Siphon with hundreds of failed drops.
    The first Vortex shield he dropped me was Griswolds and he dropped me two so far.

    So i reckon its more about luck then anything else.
     
  10. Thrugg

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    OK, nikstone, we'll have a competition. I'll roll a 6-sided dice and you can roll a 20-sided dice, and the first person to get 5 "1"s wins. Both dice can roll a "1", so it should be perfectly fair, yeah?
     
  11. Snake

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    You are right from a mathimatical(spelling?) point of view, but Nikstone has a point. Not all things in the game can be explained by numbers. Finding rare(not the yellow ones, just in general) items seems to be luck, most of the time.

    Besides, who wants to work out mathimatical problems in his free time? :uhhuh:
     
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    I want, if it is interesting problem and it is not too hard for me, im not that skilled :D
     
  13. farting bob

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    yes, its all down to luck, but you have better luck in the pits than in the hole of finding the very rare unqiues. and your point confirms some seeds are betetr at dropping base items of a particulr type. i bet if you change your map seed, you wont get the same items as much.
     
  14. nikstone

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    and what if i get lucky, i could roll hundreds of "1" before you roll your first, in the long run you would be the winner for sure, all I wanted to say is:

    Hej Draxer, great find that Mythical Sword in the hole, if you feel that you are lucky there keep running it and have fun
     

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