memememe173
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I have no facts to back this up, but could it be that by the time it was discovered, alchool and tobacco were selling well, and that those industries pressured the Govs. to make it illegal, to keep their sales high...
Why is marijuana illegal?
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Some addictive substances that are legal:
Nicotine
Alcohol
Caffeine
Sugar
Pain killers
Tobacco
I think the funniest thing in this thread is the post that says "why did I bump it? It was halfway down the page!" when the previous post was all of 4 minutes before it.
Anyway, I've never met anyone who smokes more than 1 joint a day, and most people I know who smoke pot only do it once every few days, at most. This means marijuana would have to be about 50x as bad as cigarettes to have the same health effects. And this is ignoring the fact that a joint has 3 ingredients (marijuana, tar, paper), and a cigarette has hundreds, including 11 that are known to cause cancer, and including cyanide.
I'm also impressed that this thread has spawned 100 responses in under a day, do marijuana threads usually draw this much attention, or did I just pick the right angle to approach it from?
Nicotine
Alcohol
Caffeine
Sugar
Pain killers
Tobacco
I think the funniest thing in this thread is the post that says "why did I bump it? It was halfway down the page!" when the previous post was all of 4 minutes before it.
Anyway, I've never met anyone who smokes more than 1 joint a day, and most people I know who smoke pot only do it once every few days, at most. This means marijuana would have to be about 50x as bad as cigarettes to have the same health effects. And this is ignoring the fact that a joint has 3 ingredients (marijuana, tar, paper), and a cigarette has hundreds, including 11 that are known to cause cancer, and including cyanide.
I'm also impressed that this thread has spawned 100 responses in under a day, do marijuana threads usually draw this much attention, or did I just pick the right angle to approach it from?
LuckyDwarf
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According to someone else in this thread a cigarette is 4 times less potent then a joint. However, say person A smokes a pack of 20 a day and person B smokes a joint every day. Cigarettes are 1 point and a joint is 4 for scoring . . .
person A will have roughly 7120 points in a year.
person B will have roughly 1460 points in a year.
Yeah, I'd say that's a big difference.
Lucky
person A will have roughly 7120 points in a year.
person B will have roughly 1460 points in a year.
Yeah, I'd say that's a big difference.
Lucky
Pierrot le Fou
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I read a statistic stating that it was addictive in 15% of people or so (not everyone). I will go and check that out when I'm at the net cafe as I don't think I should be browsing drug sites at an elementary school.
Can't use that argument. Some pro basketball players died from playing ball when their heart was abnormally enlarged. Some people can die from tylenol overdose. You can even die from drinking too much water because it drains all of your electrolights.
As for the physical addictiveness. Someone give me some credible research. No, not another "we need to make weed legal" thread. Your own experience fail to qualify also. And a blank statement that it's obvious that pot isn't physically additive fail to qualify too. Though I value everyone's opinion, an assertion without any rational or facts is... just an opinion.
As for the physical addictiveness. Someone give me some credible research. No, not another "we need to make weed legal" thread. Your own experience fail to qualify also. And a blank statement that it's obvious that pot isn't physically additive fail to qualify too. Though I value everyone's opinion, an assertion without any rational or facts is... just an opinion.
Anakha1
Banned
I wish I had some electrolights. Then I'd be funktastic!
I think you mean electrolytes. And that's not the point he was making. Sure, you can die from a lot of things, but as he correctly pointed out, no one has ever died from marijuana use while many, many people have died from alcohol use and yet MJ is the illegal one. That doesn't make much sense.
The physical addiction has been proven many times over to be non-existant for MJ. The psychological addiction, however, is very real. You have to be a heavy pot smoker for a LONG time for your body to become addicted to it. And it's nothing like the addiction of cigarettes or serious alcohol addiction.
I think you mean electrolytes. And that's not the point he was making. Sure, you can die from a lot of things, but as he correctly pointed out, no one has ever died from marijuana use while many, many people have died from alcohol use and yet MJ is the illegal one. That doesn't make much sense.
The physical addiction has been proven many times over to be non-existant for MJ. The psychological addiction, however, is very real. You have to be a heavy pot smoker for a LONG time for your body to become addicted to it. And it's nothing like the addiction of cigarettes or serious alcohol addiction.
Pierrot le Fou
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From a pro-drug legalization oriented site (that has very good user-friendly advice for those who do/plan to dabble in the illict):
Cited Sources:
1. MARIJUANA and MEDICINE: Assessing The Science Base, pg 95
2. Lynn Zimmer, co-author 'Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts', New Scientist online interview, 1998
3. MARIJUANA and MEDICINE: Assessing The Science Base, pg 90-91
Source: The Good Drugs Guide
Just because you're not puking your guts out as one who quit a heavy heroin/cocaine habit would doesn't mean that you don't experience withdrawl symptoms. I'm a big drug-use proponent in the sense of their responsible and informed use. I have seen enough people not do so well with the whole quitting cold turkey thing to know that it ain't this quick and easy thing for everyone (although it was for me).
And on another subject, anyone trying to argue the merits of marijuana in comparison to other drugs is entirely missing the point. No matter how good your arguments are for pot on the merits you're citing, it won't sway a soul who makes the actual decision to legalize it (unless there's a voter-based initiative, which there really don't tend to be on the federal level).
Arguing like you are is like arguing for or against the presence of WMDs in Iraq as far as the war's legitimacy is concerned. It just ain't a productive line of argument, because it's just a smidgen of the actual issue. This isn't a public health debate, and many of those who phrase it as such actually believe that the government is using those ads because they are indicative of what they actually believe, rather than an effective tool at undermining public support for marijuana initiatives.
The amount of politicians who have smoked it, after all, is rather large. And pretty-much the only people who get taken in by the propaganda are young'uns, because the folks in government lived through the 60's, and know that it wasn't a time of prolific accidental hippie-hippie shootings, forced sex (free love, not ****, you know?), or drive-thru hit 'n runs. And if you think that Bush buys into the drug propaganda, HA! The guy was a coke head, 'this is your brain on drugs' remember?
Point is, arguing about WHY it is, and whether the government propaganda are true are two separate issues. Yaboosh is really on the right line of discussion, the rest of this seems to be two different camps in high school battling out over who has the most second-hand knowledge...
Cannabis is nowhere near as addictive as nicotine or alcohol but it is wrong to say it is not habit-forming.
Many users compare their daily cannabis habit with dependency on caffeine. The UK Department of Health summed it up neatly: "Cannabis is a weakly addictive drug but does induce dependence in a significant minority of regular users."
Around 9% of users become addicted (1), although some studies estimate that over 50% of users have "impaired control" over their use of cannabis. Of the 70 million Americas estimated to have tried the drug, around two million use it daily. (2)
...
withdrawal
If you are a regular cannabis smoker (every day) and you stop smoking, you will experience some of the following withdrawal symptoms: restlessness, irritability, mild agitation, insomnia, nausea, sleep disturbance, sweats, and intense dreams. These symptoms however are mild and short-lived, lasting 2 to 4 days. (3)
Many users compare their daily cannabis habit with dependency on caffeine. The UK Department of Health summed it up neatly: "Cannabis is a weakly addictive drug but does induce dependence in a significant minority of regular users."
Around 9% of users become addicted (1), although some studies estimate that over 50% of users have "impaired control" over their use of cannabis. Of the 70 million Americas estimated to have tried the drug, around two million use it daily. (2)
...
withdrawal
If you are a regular cannabis smoker (every day) and you stop smoking, you will experience some of the following withdrawal symptoms: restlessness, irritability, mild agitation, insomnia, nausea, sleep disturbance, sweats, and intense dreams. These symptoms however are mild and short-lived, lasting 2 to 4 days. (3)
Cited Sources:
1. MARIJUANA and MEDICINE: Assessing The Science Base, pg 95
2. Lynn Zimmer, co-author 'Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts', New Scientist online interview, 1998
3. MARIJUANA and MEDICINE: Assessing The Science Base, pg 90-91
Source: The Good Drugs Guide
Just because you're not puking your guts out as one who quit a heavy heroin/cocaine habit would doesn't mean that you don't experience withdrawl symptoms. I'm a big drug-use proponent in the sense of their responsible and informed use. I have seen enough people not do so well with the whole quitting cold turkey thing to know that it ain't this quick and easy thing for everyone (although it was for me).
And on another subject, anyone trying to argue the merits of marijuana in comparison to other drugs is entirely missing the point. No matter how good your arguments are for pot on the merits you're citing, it won't sway a soul who makes the actual decision to legalize it (unless there's a voter-based initiative, which there really don't tend to be on the federal level).
Arguing like you are is like arguing for or against the presence of WMDs in Iraq as far as the war's legitimacy is concerned. It just ain't a productive line of argument, because it's just a smidgen of the actual issue. This isn't a public health debate, and many of those who phrase it as such actually believe that the government is using those ads because they are indicative of what they actually believe, rather than an effective tool at undermining public support for marijuana initiatives.
The amount of politicians who have smoked it, after all, is rather large. And pretty-much the only people who get taken in by the propaganda are young'uns, because the folks in government lived through the 60's, and know that it wasn't a time of prolific accidental hippie-hippie shootings, forced sex (free love, not ****, you know?), or drive-thru hit 'n runs. And if you think that Bush buys into the drug propaganda, HA! The guy was a coke head, 'this is your brain on drugs' remember?
Point is, arguing about WHY it is, and whether the government propaganda are true are two separate issues. Yaboosh is really on the right line of discussion, the rest of this seems to be two different camps in high school battling out over who has the most second-hand knowledge...
Anyone looking to do a little reading check out this
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml
its got all sorts of links to articles, studies among other things.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml
its got all sorts of links to articles, studies among other things.
Bob_barker101
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fact
You smoke pot, you die. you drink and smoke, you dont die as fast
You smoke pot, you die. you drink and smoke, you dont die as fast