Why Homoc?

[louragan]

Why Homoc?

Hey all,

I currently have a fishymancer on useast and i feel id rather use the Darkforce than the Homoc. I know 99% of people use the homoc but want to know why everyone thinks its so special? I mean id rather Um the Darkforce for FCR Skills And res(Um). If anyone has opinions on what they use and why it would be greatly asppreciated!

Thanks all

 

[Anthraquinone]

Re: Why Homoc?

1) max block
2) resists
3) price / availability

 

[NumtyDoo]

Re: Why Homoc?

I think 1 and 2 are the most important.

1) High chance to block, makes hitting 75% block easy.

2) Faster block rate, blocks repeated attacks super fast.

3) High resists.

4) Not too rare, so you get a really great shield for a few pgems.

 

[louragan]

Re: Why Homoc?

Yes I understand the Resist but like i saisd i will probably get a darkforce and Um it i dont plan on maxing block on my skelliemancer however

 

[zarirazz]

Re: Why Homoc?

darkforce is a tc87. and the skill varies. you may get a poor roll, or a good one. all based on luck.

homunculus can be dropped earlier in the game, more common and the stats are always the same except for the defense roll.

 

[MasterMynd]

Re: Why Homoc?

At 59% res all (w/PDiamond), only the Wizard Spike and 4PDiamond shield (IIRC) will give more resists in a single item. So if you need resists, then Homu is the only choice.

Or, if you’re going max block, and want a “no-switch” setup, then Homu is the only choice.

Other than that, it depends on how the rest of the item’s skills (basically just +Curses and Mana/Energy), and strenght/level requirements fit into your build.

The +Curses is not important for a Fishy. And with an Insight merc, all the Mana/Energy is redundant.

The critical factor for me is the strength req. DarkF requires 48 more strength than Homu. Which equates to 96 life. And that is the main reason I wouldn't build around a DarkF. (I play HC only and have never built a Fishy with more than 58 strength.)

 

[naskali]

Re: Why Homoc?

Homu also has some helpful mana regen and +2 necro skills and +2 to curses, +40 all rez, FBR, good block and decent defence. This makes this shield better than any other necro head. Too bad it hasnt FCR:wink2:

 

[flamingchen]

Re: Why Homoc?

Yes, you get 15 resists with um, but um by itself is already more pricey. Getting 59 of your resists from homun makes the rest of your gear more flexible.

 

[zarirazz]

Re: Why Homoc?

little nitpick=P
um in shields give 22 resist all. still not worth it though =P

 

[Ugeye]

Re: Why Homoc?

I play a 0dex vitamancer in some half decent gear and you'd be suprised how often I block anyways. Granted, I tele everywhere, but still! I think I've got like 54 dex total from items and I hear that little clanking noise all the time!

 

[minamochan]

Re: Why Homoc?

If you use Enigma, Darkforce is a lot better. If you use a HotO as your weapon (and you have a decent torch/anni), your resistances will still be good, and you'll have plenty of FCR for Teleport and Corpse Explosion. You shouldn't really get hit very often anyway, so blocking is not a huge concern.

If you're poor though, Homunculus is way better. The block and res on Homunculus are valuable, and the opportunity cost of using Darkforce instead of selling it is crazy.

 

[illestkhmai]

Re: Why Homoc?

If you use Enigma, Darkforce is a lot better. If you use a HotO as your weapon (and you have a decent torch/anni), your resistances will still be good, and you'll have plenty of FCR for Teleport and Corpse Explosion. You shouldn't really get hit very often anyway, so blocking is not a huge concern.

If you're poor though, Homunculus is way better. The block and res on Homunculus are valuable, and the opportunity cost of using Darkforce instead of selling it is crazy.

Why would using an item with no resists along with another item with no resists yield good resists? I'd use enig+homu+hoto either way.

 

[minamochan]

Re: Why Homoc?

Anya + Torch + Anni + HotO + Um'd Darkforce = ~120 res all on average or ~20 res all in Hell. I'm guessing he'd have at least SOME resistance elsewhere (Trang's Gloves/Um'd Shako or decent Circlet/Maras/etc.), which would bump him at least into the 50s or 60s. Anyway, Darkforce gives him a little more damage and a shot at 125 FCR.

EDIT: Just FYI, I enjoy playing the Devil's Advocate. Time to go back to lurking though. =).

 

[AnimeCraze]

Re: Why Homoc?

I say nothing less than 75% resist in WSK, at least hte lightning department. I would use wiz + homun if I have to.

 

[flamingchen]

Re: Why Homoc?

little nitpick=P
um in shields give 22 resist all. still not worth it though =P

Right, I was thinking armor. Doh!

 

[bogie]

Re: Why Homoc?

Mmm, both shields fail compared to spirit imo, assuming your going for 125%fcr of course.

For a mere 75%, you can make it by going...

Beast Zerker
2/20 Circ
2/20 Ammy
Trang Gloves
Arachs
Um'd Homunc
Torch/Anni

With this setup, you can get anywhere from 0 to 75+ resist all in Hell, depending on your +resists on circ and ammy.

+40 Anni/Torch
+30 Anya
+62 Homunc
+30 Circ (15 base and um'd)
+15 Ammy (10 base)

Thats 77% resist all in hell, without extra resists such as 30% on trang etc. Throw in 10x 5 resist all scs, and you easily reach max resists in hell.

 

[UberB]

Re: Why Homoc?

True, a bone nec would probably use spirit, but a summoner would definitely not. I think that a good or perfect Darkforce would probably be superior to a homu.