jmervyn
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Re: Why go to mars?
Then again, you haven't been here long enough to remember the Depleted Uranium thread.
Why go to mars?
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BobCox2
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Re: Why go to mars?
It's the Off-Topic Forum, Don't expect your thread to stay On-Topic that long, I you want to steer it back offer something on-topic don't just cry about it.
I think robotic exploration of the Asteroid belt and the Atmosphere of Venus using Bio and Nano Tech packages could pay off in the near future better than a manned mars expedition can.
It's the Off-Topic Forum, Don't expect your thread to stay On-Topic that long, I you want to steer it back offer something on-topic don't just cry about it.
I think robotic exploration of the Asteroid belt and the Atmosphere of Venus using Bio and Nano Tech packages could pay off in the near future better than a manned mars expedition can.
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lAmebAdger
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Re: Why go to mars?
what do they hope to accomplish on mars anyway?
i don't see anything scientific about mars that a robot can't accomplish but a human can...
probably it's just for glory and all that crap
EDIT:
on second thought, bringing a human to mars and safely back again is a feat that in itself might advance us technologically...
what do they hope to accomplish on mars anyway?
i don't see anything scientific about mars that a robot can't accomplish but a human can...
probably it's just for glory and all that crap
EDIT:
on second thought, bringing a human to mars and safely back again is a feat that in itself might advance us technologically...
lAmebAdger
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Re: Why go to mars?
lead fulfilled lives?
rest in peace?
lead fulfilled lives?
rest in peace?
jmervyn
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Re: Why go to mars?
I'm not sure we're of sufficient tech level to begin researching terraforming yet.
llad12
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Re: Why go to mars?
Whoops, gotta turn toward the sun on a 30 degree slope for the winter.
Cya later
Yessire, those robots really haul fast on Mars ... especially when draggin a foot.
Whoops, gotta turn toward the sun on a 30 degree slope for the winter.
Cya later
BobCox2
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Re: Why go to mars?
How long would the manned mission stay and study, and even if they meet the profile laid down they can't exceed the missions length and then break a leg and keep working?
Oh and when a human breaks a leg out there it's a mission ending tragedy not a mission exceeded triumph.
*Perhaps the most important discovery was silica in Mars' soil that was uncovered by a dragging wheel on the Spirit rover. The mineral was seen as a likely product of a damp environment produced by hot springs or steam vents.
Or do you have a 5 year mission plan?
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Mars_rovers_exceed_all_expectations_to_mark_fifth_birthdays_32462.html *
The rovers had predicted life spans of just 90 days, but instead US space agency NASA this month marks the fifth anniversary of the mission that is still going strong.
What are the expected costs? etc.
"The American taxpayer was told three months for each rover was the prime mission plan, Ed Weiler, associate administrator for NASA's Science Mission Directorate said. "The twins have worked almost 20 times that long. That's an extraordinary return of investment in these challenging budgetary times."
http://www.perthobservatory.wa.gov.au/OurSolarSystem/assmt1/Yukiko%20Sunazuka.pdf
Your argument is one for robots, not against them, something you would know if you had bothered to look at the facts beforehand.
Much Later if your a robot.
How long would the manned mission stay and study, and even if they meet the profile laid down they can't exceed the missions length and then break a leg and keep working?
Oh and when a human breaks a leg out there it's a mission ending tragedy not a mission exceeded triumph.
*Perhaps the most important discovery was silica in Mars' soil that was uncovered by a dragging wheel on the Spirit rover. The mineral was seen as a likely product of a damp environment produced by hot springs or steam vents.
Or do you have a 5 year mission plan?
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Mars_rovers_exceed_all_expectations_to_mark_fifth_birthdays_32462.html *
The rovers had predicted life spans of just 90 days, but instead US space agency NASA this month marks the fifth anniversary of the mission that is still going strong.
What are the expected costs? etc.
"The American taxpayer was told three months for each rover was the prime mission plan, Ed Weiler, associate administrator for NASA's Science Mission Directorate said. "The twins have worked almost 20 times that long. That's an extraordinary return of investment in these challenging budgetary times."
http://www.perthobservatory.wa.gov.au/OurSolarSystem/assmt1/Yukiko%20Sunazuka.pdf
Your argument is one for robots, not against them, something you would know if you had bothered to look at the facts beforehand.
lAmebAdger
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Re: Why go to mars?
slow and steady wins the race!
... same holds true for humans AND robots actually
slow and steady wins the race!
... same holds true for humans AND robots actually
Dondrei
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Re: Why go to mars?
Well true, at least by dying you're doing something constructive for the future of the race. Now if you could just convince the third world and everywhere else with a baby boom to do the same.
llad12
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Re: Why go to mars?
When robots can climb up 25' on a near-vertical outcrop to obtain a sample of Martian gypsum with a curious green tinge(?), I will be impressed.
Until then ... Oops, some fool just drove me blindly into a sand trap, give me a month to extricate myself.
When robots can climb up a long 45 degree rocky slope and/or visit a Martian gully that recently flowed without tipping over, lemme know.
When robots can climb up 25' on a near-vertical outcrop to obtain a sample of Martian gypsum with a curious green tinge(?), I will be impressed.
Until then ... Oops, some fool just drove me blindly into a sand trap, give me a month to extricate myself.
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jmervyn
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lAmebAdger
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Re: Why go to mars?
do you expect humans to reach mars (with safe travel back)
before robots become that advanced or not?
do you expect humans to reach mars (with safe travel back)
before robots become that advanced or not?
lAmebAdger
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Re: Why go to mars?
the robots don't have to but the humans do, which is kind of implied in my question up there...
humans are nowadays more efficient than robots in anything BUT they are a pain to get anywhere far...
robots aren't such a pain to get anywhere but obviously a pain to get to do anything big...
the question is: will humans getting to mars and back safely and successfully come first or will robots becoming so advanced that they aren't frickin crippled turtles on planet mars come first?
the robots don't have to but the humans do, which is kind of implied in my question up there...
humans are nowadays more efficient than robots in anything BUT they are a pain to get anywhere far...
robots aren't such a pain to get anywhere but obviously a pain to get to do anything big...
the question is: will humans getting to mars and back safely and successfully come first or will robots becoming so advanced that they aren't frickin crippled turtles on planet mars come first?
BobCox2
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Re: Why go to mars?
Safe Travel back is not even in some of the current plans,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manned_mission_to_Mars#The_One_Person.2C_One_Way_Mission_Option
I don't think you understand how fragile humans are (Solar Flares kill everyone unlike a Earth to Moon mission the window is bigger for this and shielding costs) compared to robot's it will take 20 or so robot missions just to get the supply dumps out there for the 1-5 month on-site manned mission.
The Cheap seats are a 1 way trip.
And how is a robot that was meant to last 90 days lasting 5 years anything but a Ninja Turtle?
Safe Travel back is not even in some of the current plans,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manned_mission_to_Mars#The_One_Person.2C_One_Way_Mission_Option
I don't think you understand how fragile humans are (Solar Flares kill everyone unlike a Earth to Moon mission the window is bigger for this and shielding costs) compared to robot's it will take 20 or so robot missions just to get the supply dumps out there for the 1-5 month on-site manned mission.
The Cheap seats are a 1 way trip.
And how is a robot that was meant to last 90 days lasting 5 years anything but a Ninja Turtle?
lAmebAdger
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Re: Why go to mars?
ouch... wonder who'd volunteer to be the first astronaut there...
ouch... wonder who'd volunteer to be the first astronaut there...
TheOgreMan
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Re: Why go to mars?
I'm of two opinions on this:
Why not go to Mars? Prove that it can be done. Send people there, take good surveys, look into places that robots will have a hard time doing themselves (drilling into the crust, on-site testings, etc.). If we could send people there it would create a huge funding opportunity for many, many people. Research into space travel, living accommodations, anything related to it would surge.
Then again...
Why even ask why to go? Don't. There are enough problems here on Earth that need to be taken care of before we invest huge sums of money into a task of that magnitude. People all over the world are without health care, food, proper shelter, clean water. Earth's resources need better management, over-population needs to come under control, war is always occurring. If we can't solve (relatively) simple problems like this on our own home turf...why should we send people out into space? If anything it would cause more conflict and create more enemies than there currently are. Property rights of new lands, criminal outposts, you name it, it could happen.
I suggest we solve one problem at a time. First, let's find some clean, renewable, efficient energy. Then let's feed the hungry. Then let's go to space. It'd be nice to punch a zergling in the face.
I'm of two opinions on this:
Why not go to Mars? Prove that it can be done. Send people there, take good surveys, look into places that robots will have a hard time doing themselves (drilling into the crust, on-site testings, etc.). If we could send people there it would create a huge funding opportunity for many, many people. Research into space travel, living accommodations, anything related to it would surge.
Then again...
Why even ask why to go? Don't. There are enough problems here on Earth that need to be taken care of before we invest huge sums of money into a task of that magnitude. People all over the world are without health care, food, proper shelter, clean water. Earth's resources need better management, over-population needs to come under control, war is always occurring. If we can't solve (relatively) simple problems like this on our own home turf...why should we send people out into space? If anything it would cause more conflict and create more enemies than there currently are. Property rights of new lands, criminal outposts, you name it, it could happen.
I suggest we solve one problem at a time. First, let's find some clean, renewable, efficient energy. Then let's feed the hungry. Then let's go to space. It'd be nice to punch a zergling in the face.