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[qOcOp]

Why did people cry about X class not returning etc...

Seriously? im surprise they left the barb in from the previous game, im kinda glad though. his story is intriguing, even cooler cuz he's the same guy from d2. Then shortly after the announcement a lot of people were crying necro should return too paladin should etc blah blah blah. So what people want necro? barb? pally? zon? all the original d2 classes? do they want a new game or do they want diablo 2 remake. i was surprise to many people were crying that they should add necro or whatever. i for one, want to play new classes. cuz its a new game, i dont want the same stuff.:coffee:

 

[visom]

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my guess is the barbarian is the reason why they get upset

them seeing only one character returning but not the others probably is the reason that upset them

or, i could use my classic answer of "people hate change" (yes yes i know, there has to be a reason why, save your responses and don't reply to it )

 

[NASE]

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People like what they know.
Take my self, I have 7 amazon on my account and 1 sorcerer. I simply like to play with amazons. And therefore, I would like to see a similar class return to grant a similar experience.

And therefore, a lot of people simply state that they want the same classes to return while they should be asking to a see character with a similar play style - something that is much more likely to happen.
Take forinstance the wizard, it's not like the sorcerer when it comes to skills - high magic versus elemental - yet I'm sure you will be able to play the wizard pretty much like you can play the sorcerer.
Lucky for us, it seems like there will be more variants possible.

 

[Turnip]

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Well im not really upset that the necro isnt coming back but I think its dumb they sort of just replaced him with a witchdoctor. Poison attacks, summoning undead , curses...

Sort of pointless to ever bring him back now because hes turned into a witchdoctor...

Anyways firebats and stuff is cool, but really it should go on a new class not a rehash.

 

[Mad Mantis]

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i for one, want to play new classes.

If you read the various threads just after the classes were announced you'd have known why people wanted the old classes back. After playing all these years we all have various favorite classes. Now the Barbarian from D3 introduces us to how much more interesting those old classes could be to play in D3. People wanted their favorite class to get the same treatment as the Barb. Make them even more interesting to play.

 

[SlechtWeerBeer]

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If you read the various threads just after the classes were announced you'd have known why people wanted the old classes back. After playing all these years we all have various favorite classes. Now the Barbarian from D3 introduces us to how much more interesting those old classes could be to play in D3. People wanted their favorite class to get the same treatment as the Barb. Make them even more interesting to play.

They do? I only noticed people crying for necros to have the exact same thing back.
Besides, how would you expand on a "completed" concept, without making it a WD for example?

 

[Krugar]

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They do? I only noticed people crying for necros to have the exact same thing back

There were some interesting complaints/requests. One would need to filter those and leave the rest out. Not everything about classes discussion was a whining slugfest, even though it may have seemed like that to the casual observer. Unfortunately whiners are always much louder than someone trying to make a point.

Besides, how would you expand on a "completed" concept, without making it a WD for example?

I'm not sure what you mean. Expanding a concept is not achieved by creating a new concept. That would be, you know, creating a new concept. On any case, you could expand the "necromancer concept" by reviewing his entire skill tree. Imagine a necromancer being given the WD skill tree. Does it sound so bad? Just replace the "frog" pets by skeletal frogs and there you go.

I'm not concerned about the WD. In fact, as I stated on other threads I like this class and most probably will be my first once the game ships. But that doesn't mean I can fully understand or agree with the Necromancer removal unless the class is needed as a plot device on D3.

 

[SlechtWeerBeer]

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I'm not sure what you mean. Expanding a concept is not achieved by creating a new concept. That would be, you know, creating a new concept. On any case, you could expand the "necromancer concept" by reviewing his entire skill tree. Imagine a necromancer being given the WD skill tree. Does it sound so bad? Just replace the "frog" pets by skeletal frogs and there you go.

That's my point. You can "expand" the necro, but it will just be a WD tossing bones rather than living animals. Calling it a WD and using living animals is 1) not just a lame rehash, and 2) leaves more options open. The Necromancer is a welldefined class. Expanding it won't expand it, but make it something different.
The D3 team felt they could expand on the Barbarian without making it something else than a Barbarian. They did that quite nicely.

 

[Krugar]

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We apparently give different meanings for the word "concept". This may end up becoming a semantics thread. So, I'll leave it at that. My opinion has been given.

 

[Valmy]

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The reason why they cry is the wizard. When the barbarian and the witch doctor were announced, they said the barbarian was the only returning class.

Then, when the Wizard was announced, everyone saw her as the sorceress. True this is remodeled and changed a bit, but it's the same as the old soso. The new barbarian is a remake of the old Barbarian (because he got some old skills and some new skills, AoE skills, fury...), but the wizard is also a remake of the soso without any doubt (many same skills, new skills, and melee skills).

Then some people thought they were tricked by Blizzard.



I understand these persons and their angry, I also would like to see a remake Necromancer or Druid, but I think it's time to move on and see Diablo3 as it is: a new game. It doesn't matter if every class is new, if all are old ones, or a mix. It's just a new game, and we must see it as a new game, and enjoy it. Or at least, debate politely about the little things we don't like.

 

[Mad Mantis]

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Besides, how would you expand on a "completed" concept, without making it a WD for example?

By keeping the style similar to the Necromancer and working with existing builds. Expand on their strengths and roll it into a coherent skill set. There is a lot of overlap between the two characters and the most defining difference is that the WD looks odd.

 

[Tannhauser]

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Why not keep all old classes and add new ones, it would make diablo 3 one of the biggest games ever made :scratchchin:

 

[Risingred]

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Why not keep all old classes and add new ones, it would make diablo 3 one of the biggest games ever made :scratchchin:

I bet they thought about it. I doubt they'd have the time to make every class worthy of the game, though, if they did that. ie making sure that each character played distinctly, had a strong thematic skillset, etc.

I can say that D3 finally got me interested in a caster besides the necro. I never played a sorc in D1 or D2 for more than five levels but I plan on playing the wizard first because it looks extremely fun for once. :thumbup:

 

[stillman]

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To expand on what Visom said:

It isn't fair because the barb already made his comeback in LoD. They made all of act 5 centered on the barb homeland and barb culture. Everywhere you go you see barbs in town and barbs in the battlefield, then you end up on barb mountain fighting 3 big time barbs (Ancients), then you go to rescue the big worldstone the BARBS are defending.

Then, the barb gets to come back in d3. Jeeze, why is the barb hogging the whole damn show?? Why don't they call it d3: Revenge of the Barbs from d2 and LoD.

So it doesn't seem fair that us zon fans don't get anything yet. Not a thing. Not even a hint about the bow class. Not even a word in Cain's Journal about what became of the amazons.

All I'm saying is the bow class better be good!

 

[Grug]

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The thing about the Barbarian was that Blizzard was originally going to do some other kind of melee class. but when they realized the fans would just call it the Barbarian, they just went with Barbarian. Besides, the Barbarian was probably the monst under-realized character in Diablo 2 in terms of fighting.

 

[teh_Thrasher]

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word up on that grug, everyone just went whirlwind... now in d3 we will see more variants of barbarian builds and play styles.

amazons becames lesbians and just died off due to lack of repopulation.

necromancers were hunted to extinction by the local populace who hated Nihlathak because he was viewed as a necromancer.

paladins were hunted down as well for being seen as over zealous charlatans after the happenings in kurast

assassins were well more of a shadowy character and they only came out to destroy the 3, they did that so they went back into the shadows.

druids were... mauled by a bear they failed to summon properly.
lol

there now u know
seeing the old classes return would be like uh ive played this game before... theyd have to get way overly creative to make new skills for each of them else they would feel like the same character uve played for 5 years.

bring on the new classes! huzaaahh!

 

[Krugar]

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hmm... I only made a WW barb once and I didn't like him. Have been a frenzy barb ever since and the singer has become one of my favorite builds. Awesome killer but has to get close and personal enough to make it a dangerous and exciting build.

 

[Daedrith]

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word up on that grug, everyone just went whirlwind... now in d3 we will see more variants of barbarian builds and play styles.

amazons becames lesbians and just died off due to lack of repopulation.

necromancers were hunted to extinction by the local populace who hated Nihlathak because he was viewed as a necromancer.

paladins were hunted down as well for being seen as over zealous charlatans after the happenings in kurast

assassins were well more of a shadowy character and they only came out to destroy the 3, they did that so they went back into the shadows.

druids were... mauled by a bear they failed to summon properly.
lol

there now u know
seeing the old classes return would be like uh ive played this game before... theyd have to get way overly creative to make new skills for each of them else they would feel like the same character uve played for 5 years.

bring on the new classes! huzaaahh!

Well, that's certainly one way to kill off the main character population in the game. :thumbup:

Seriously though, I can understand why people want some of the old classes back, and why the WD might not seem to fit (I would prefer a necro myself), but I think in the long run we will all appreciate having a new set of classes to play with. It opens up a lot more possibilities for the developers and gives the players something fresh. The important part is making it fit into the lore and not ignoring the previous games' classes' roles in the plot of Diablo.

 

[NASE]

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amazons becames lesbians and just died off due to lack of repopulation.

You don't happen to have some art sketches for us, do you?

All I'm saying is the bow class better be good!

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However, I'm sure they will. Didn't we already see exploding arrows in one of those game play video's?

 

[qOcOp]

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If you read the various threads just after the classes were announced you'd have known why people wanted the old classes back. After playing all these years we all have various favorite classes. Now the Barbarian from D3 introduces us to how much more interesting those old classes could be to play in D3. People wanted their favorite class to get the same treatment as the Barb. Make them even more interesting to play.

Revamped old classes for d3 ftw amirite?:coffee: