Who watches the Watchman? ME!

Mistress Sersi

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Who watches the Watchman? ME!

This Friday! I scored me some tickets! w00t

Cant wait to pick out things like the guy with the "end of the world" sign or "Tales of the Black Freighter"
:thumbup::yes:
 

Amra

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Another movie I probably won't get the chance to see.
 

Ash Housewares

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I'm waiting a whole extra day in order to see it with friends on saturday, will post much after that

somebody give me the code for wrapping spoiler tags, those are new to me and I haven't used them since coming back
 

HegemonKhan

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*possible spoilers*

*read at your own discretion*

watchman, wasn't as bad as it first seemed. the first 10-20 minutes made watchman seem like it was gonna be lame, but it got better with some neat twists. the fight choreography is awesome. make no mistake it is R-rated. lots of brutal violence graphics and sex/nudity. the ultimate theme was kinda lame though, the "miracle" of life of making life of sex. but despite this the movie offered some good twists and the fight choreography was awesome if u don't mind brutal violence graphics (i.e. punching/kicking/snapping a knee or arm and they show the bones snapping and sticking out of the skin. think sin city movie type violence graphics and fight choreography). the movie mainly portrays human nature, it's ugly side, in the representation of the super "heroes", and it's ultimate theme of the miracle of reproduction/sex (how despite all the odds those half male and female dna come together to make a unique individual) (which there, sex/nudity, is a lot of) despite humans ugly nature, such a "miracle" of life has come to be.

it was one of the few good movies these past 1-2 years.
 

Puck Nutty

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I haven't read the comic in about 20 years, but I have to admit I wasn't expecting much. I don't think this material can be done in one film. Unless it's really, really long and thus unmarketable.

*************SPOILERS! Don't say i didn't warn you!*************************

The Good:
Fight choreography. Awesome. I have yet to see a supers film with better action scenes. This is how I always imagined battles between supers would look. The graphic violence was OK too, even if it was turned up a notch from the comic. I felt it helped create the dark nihilistic feel that was needed.

Naked Silk Spectre II.

The portrayals of Dr. Manhattan and Rorshach (sp?) were quite good. The Rorshach backstory was great, as was the backstory surrounding the Comedian and Dr. Manhattan. I also like the ernest nerdiness of Night Owl II, especially when Spectre jumped his bones the first time.

CGI. Top notch. Again, Dr. Manhattan was a standout. Nice facial expressions and eye movement. I wonder whose decision it was to give him so much "pipe"? Billy Crudup needs to send someone a thank you note. Lol.

Naked Silk Spectre II. Am I repeating myself?

The Bad:
The first commandment for any director making a move about supers: thou shalt not use the term "arch nemesis". Ever. This is especially true when the person saying it is in the midst of having a guilt-ridden emotional breakdown. Totally destroys the moment.

The love triangle. There was no real lead up to Spectre dumping Dr. Manhattan. It just made her look like a petty attention seeker, especially when she was jumping Night Owl two scenes later. Also, Malin Ackerman was pretty wooden and showed very little emotional range.

The ending. Ozzymandias' plot for world peace is a stretch, but that's OK. The theme of humanity coming together in the face of a common threat was the whole point, so I'll let it go.
However, it seemed that everything went from "OMG! Nuclear warz!" to peace pretty quick. I mean, they illustrated all of the history that lead up to the war pretty clearly (Cuban Missile Crisis, Russia in Afghanistan, Vietnam), only to have it all brushed away in what seemed like a few days.
In all fairness I don't think they could have done it any better without making the movie over 3 hours long, so I guess I'll have to wait and see if a director's cut will be released.

There was a thinly veiled cheap shot at Dubya at the end that I felt was unnecessary, but whatever, it got a few laughs.

Overall, not a bad movie. I don't know if it will create any new Watchmen fans, but I think the true blue will be pleased, for the most part. I think this whole project must have been like trying to stuff 10 pounds of flour into a 5 pound bag.

Just my 2 cents.
 

Ash Housewares

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I worry that they might've cut alot of exposition and if the movie will be clear enough to new viewers that didn't read the comic

it was fun, and they nailed the characters, really got the right idea, lost about as little as possible going from graphic novel to movie
 

Spinns

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I saw it Friday night and I liked it. It wasn't a life changing epic movie but still good. Some parts were a little bit boring and I was thinking hurry up and get back to the action but still worth a watch
 

tarnok

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I think the whole thing was done about as well as it could have been. The only things that annoyed me were when they made changes that didn't seem necessary and a small point at the end:

1) Why did they change Rorschach's story? In the book he handcuffs the guy, gives him a hacksaw and lights the building on fire pausing only to tell him he'll never cut through the metal in time. In the movie he hacks his skull open with a cleaver.

2) In the final confrontation between Rorschach and Dr. Manhattan I got the impression that Rorschach accepted that what they were doing was right but couldn't bring himself to change and wanted Dr. Manhattan to kill him. I got pretty much completely the opposite impression from the book. It seemed to me that Rorschach was defiant and condemed them all for their part in the slaughter to the end.

3) C'mon, no psychic, teleporting death-squid?
 

phool

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Bit OT. But is it true that in America people often shout, cheer, clap, whatever, in cinemas?
 

Croup

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Bit OT. But is it true that in America people often shout, cheer, clap, whatever, in cinemas?
Depends on the movie and the crowd. It definitely happens, but I wouldn't say that it's commonplace.



 

Magi

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The "potshot" was aimed at Ronald Regan, not at Bush, wasn't it Puck?

tarnok, At the end, I felt that Rorschach was absolutely going to tell the world (after all, he did leave his journal so that if he didn't make it, his story would be told). He believed in no compromises. However, he was also a realist and knew that his views would mean his death at the hands of Manhattan and Ozymandias. DO IT!!! DO IT!!!

I've never been to a movie where the audiences have done more than laugh. No clapping, hooting, hollaring, jeering, etc. Nor have I been to a movie where people "walk out" on the movie. I read a post on another forum that stated 1/4 of the audience got up and walked out on Watchmen. My experience at my theater was very much the opposite: of the (nearly) "at capacity" audience, only ONE person ever left the theater and he came back with a popcorn and drink. No bathroom breaks, no nothing. That's pretty amazing for a 163minute movie.

8.5/10 imho. awesome flick. I'll see it again at the theater and buy a copy when it hits the shelves. Hopefully the'll be some bonus footage :)
 

Puck Nutty

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The "potshot" was aimed at Ronald Regan, not at Bush, wasn't it Puck?
Maybe both. Lefties often depicted Dubya as a "cowboy" in the media because of his speaking style and his "my way or the highway" approach to diplomacy. That's how I saw it, anyway.

I hope I haven't turned this into another Bush, anti-Bush thread.



 

Magi

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I think that was a nod to Regan's movie career, in which he often played cowboys (country-westerns)
 

tarnok

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tarnok, At the end, I felt that Rorschach was absolutely going to tell the world (after all, he did leave his journal so that if he didn't make it, his story would be told). He believed in no compromises. However, he was also a realist and knew that his views would mean his death at the hands of Manhattan and Ozymandias. DO IT!!! DO IT!!!
I may not have explained my point well. I believe that Rorschach fully intended to tell whoever would listen if he got away and that he knew he wouldn't get away in both the movie and the book. What was different was his attitude about what had happened and his death. In the movie it seemed like he was saying "I know you're right, but I can't compromise on this; kill me or I'm going to ruin everything." In the book the impression I got was "You're all evil bastards to be complicit in this and you're going to kill me because you're evil bastards so you can **** off and die."



 

Ash Housewares

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@tarnok

cuz mad max already did it, and you're wrong about rorschach accepting it, and the squid had to go for practical reasons, it would have taken an extra 25min to put in all the set up for it to work
 

Magi

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ok guys...my curiosity is peaked. wth is this "squid" thing. lol I've never read the book.

oh and ash, I love your name and location. Shop smart! Shop S-mart!
 
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