Which items are better?

btgcloud

Diabloii.Net Member
Which items are better?

For zeal pally i wanna know which is best for pvm and pvp.
Grief, Botdz, or Last Wish. Got all 3 dont know which is best.
 

smeer

Diabloii.Net Member
btgcloud said:
For zeal pally i wanna know which is best for pvm and pvp.
Grief, Botdz, or Last Wish. Got all 3 dont know which is best.
For a zealer I vote for Grief PB
 

Arutha

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I don't know how it is on other realms but for east ladder zeal vs. zeal duels grief and last wish are considered bm, most of the zealers you see will be useing ethereal death cleaver, death, botd some of the other less common weapons you may see people useing are eth heavens lite, eth runemaster, eth razors edge, eth rare with %ed and fools and a few others. My personal favorites are eth dc and death although from what I have heard death is considered bm on east nl. I'm a huge fan of a high %ds on a zealer. Agian I don't know how it is on other realms.
 

smeer

Diabloii.Net Member
Arutha said:
I don't know how it is on other realms but for east ladder zeal vs. zeal duels grief and last wish are considered bm, most of the zealers you see will be useing ethereal death cleaver, death, botd some of the other less common weapons you may see people useing are eth heavens lite, eth runemaster, eth razors edge, eth rare with %ed and fools and a few others. My personal favorites are eth dc and death although from what I have heard death is considered bm on east nl. I'm a huge fan of a high %ds on a zealer. Agian I don't know how it is on other realms.
Jeee why do people consider normal items provided by the game as BM??
We could as well state that it is BM to use a weapon at all....
Well never mind....this is OT
 

Demonic Angel Rules

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I like last wish casue of life tap. This will make a good zealer imortal. Unless of course u get hit with IM, casue if that happens.....well lets just say that was the last nail in your coffin.
 

sir goatscelot

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Items in the game are NOT balanced or made with PvP in mind...Blizzard has said this from the beginning. All items, skills etc are adjusted/made for only Pvm period.

Grief dmg is a bug in the game based on improper dmg calculations, so I believe that it will be adjusted soon..especially since they have rec tons of emails about people complaining about the dmg. You can take a look on the bnet website for the reaction from Blizz. They said they would look in to it and make any adjustments if they feel its not balanced.

For Pvm, theres not much better than eth Stormlash. If you want lifetap, then grab exile and or dracs. For Pvp, currently Grief..but I would lean toward eth Death Cleaver as it's not bugged.

Now for what is considered BM etc, me being oldschool, would simply put it this way:

A char can only use skills available to his or her class..no tele paly, zealing sorc etc. So unless you are a necro, lifetap is out.

This well never happen of course so Duelers will all have different opinions on whats Bm.
 

HCKull

Diabloii.Net Member
btgcloud said:
For zeal pally i wanna know which is best for pvm and pvp.
Grief, Botdz, or Last Wish. Got all 3 dont know which is best.
The choice is between Griev and Last Wish.

Grief does way more damage.

Last Wish has the CTC spell, Life Tap and Fade, etc.

You can get life-tap and resists from other equip so I prefer grief.
 

HCKull

Diabloii.Net Member
Grief dmg is a bug in the game based on improper dmg calculation
I have never heard of this. What is the bug ? Grief adds 350-400 points of damage to each hit. That is the way +damage is suppose to work.
 

gorash

Diabloii.Net Member
HCKull said:
I have never heard of this. What is the bug ? Grief adds 350-400 points of damage to each hit. That is the way +damage is suppose to work.
on the char screen, it wont show how much total dmg u are doing. u will have to manually calc it.
 

pera

Diabloii.Net Member
on the char screen, it wont show how much total dmg u are doing. u will have to manually calc it.
Ok That is a bug, but Grief does not do more damage than it is supposed to. There is no bug. It is first time I hear that too :shocked:. Maybe it is inbalanced, but there is no bug that gives more damage to Grief.
 

HCKull

Diabloii.Net Member
gorash said:
on the char screen, it wont show how much total dmg u are doing. u will have to manually calc it.
So when they fix the screen to show the real huge damage grief will be junk ?
 

sir goatscelot

Diabloii.Net Member
The damage on Grief is supposed to additive, not multiplicative. For example, if after all Str, Dex, Skill, Aura bonuses, you do 1k with Grief, the random 350-400 is supposed to added after all calculations, so 1350-1400 dmg.

However, the game calculates dmg Before all modifiers, thus we have crazy dmg results. Also, items that had the +dmg modifier in previous patches ie) Astreon's, never displayed these characteristics until 1.11.., so it's not just Grief thats bugged.

If Grief was working correctly, then all skills would benefit from the added dmg, but we know Venge, Berserk etc, does not work with Grief.

The real question is, are they going to do something about it? They are aware of it but if they do disable it, they may have thousands of emails from kids complaing that their uber/leet33 item sucks now.
 
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