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Which is better? Is there an anwser or not...

Discussion in 'Barbarian' started by fleeflicker, Sep 28, 2006.

  1. fleeflicker

    fleeflicker IncGamers Member

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    Which is better? Is there an anwser or not...

    Ive been trying to figure out which weapon is better for a BvC barbarian. Grief of Botd zerker. I was in a public game the other day and i heard 2 people saying that there botd was better then grief...

    If you choose to use grief.. should u use phase blade or zerk axe? I know that the zerk botd will have 60% ias...can u get grief to cut that many times?
    Or on average how many hits does your barb really need to take down opponents in pvp? What if your grief was a perfect 40%ias +400 dmg (zerk or phase???) Would u take the perfect grief over a perfect botd?

    Im thinking that grief will be best because of the hidden dmg. Now whether or not to put it in a phase blade or zerker. I'll be needing to use Runeword Beast for sure...so ill need to be able to make it in a sword if i choose to use phase blade grief. Also the zerk axe is heard to do something with the number 0 making it -60 when u botd it or something....is a CB botd sword faster..better..slower than a zerk axe? Or is Grief Phase blade better? Any help with this nonsense will be great cuz i dont know
     
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    TheBassman IncGamers Member

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    Worst Grief Zerk > Best EBotD Zerk

    As long as the grief has 34%IAS or more.

    ~LesC
     
  3. AlmostInfinity

    AlmostInfinity IncGamers Member

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    The damage for Grief is much greater in terms of damage than the botd (you can search these forums for damage comparisons).

    Make the Grief in a zerker because Phase blades have a range of 2 while zerkers are range 3. Plus, zerkers do more damage.

    For ww, you would need -34 ias on weapon to hit the last breakpoint for a 1 handed weapon so your Grief would at least +34ias. Since -34 ias is the last ww breakpoint for 1h, a 34 ias Grief and a Botd would hit the same.

    The 0 you heard is the base weapon speed of a zerker axe. Botd gives the weapon 60 ias so it makes the weapon speed of -60.

    CB has a base speed of 5 and the zerker is 0 so the zerker is faster and does a little better damage. (Swords look cooler though)

    Note - Beast can only be made in axes, sceptors, or hammers; NOT swords
     
  4. Ce Olba

    Ce Olba Banned

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    Grief kills EBotdZ in every aspect. The only good thing about EBotdZ is the stats, and only a BvA or a BvB needs those (as they help in STR and Dex, but you can only lower the requirements from 63/57 to 46/57, which is a gain of 203 life. 203 life for huge damage?)

    Now, to show it in numbers. Here:
    As you can see, there's a difference of 1118.23062 average damage. That's on-weapon however. After PvP penalty that is 190.099205. Also note that there are no max damage charms involved.

    Oh, note 1 thing: these damages are without Beast due to the fact that I took this from my own weapon comparison (which I put together to finally crush down LW and Death (LW<Death<Beast<Doom<EBotdZ<GriefZ btw).

    Here is with Beast btw:
    Now the difference is already 1576.49787. Still with no +max involved.

    As far as I know, those calculations are pretty flawless. I took into account the loss of both str and ed from Beast, and I did add the +30 str to EBotdZ's use (which btw I shouldn't have, as logically you would like to have less str with EBotdZ. But the amount of ED is only 17%, so it won't change much).
     
  5. fleeflicker

    fleeflicker IncGamers Member

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    thx guys for the help...and olba for the chart
     

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