Which character out of these 4 is the best PvPer?

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DmUgluk

Banned
Which character out of these 4 is the best PvPer?

Yo there,
I am going to make this very very good PvP char.
However I do not know which of these four will be the best.

If you vote - PLEASE explain the vote. You can also post another build.
I can get most of the equipment easily (I have an Orbsorc, and a Boner and a Summon Necro.)
Thanks on advance :grin: .
 
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oneBlast

Diabloii.Net Member
BvC.
I also have a boner which is very nice char to play, but decent es sorcs usually beat me easily.
BvA could be nice as well, havent played one, so can't really say.
 
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StillGreen

Diabloii.Net Member
BvC if I had to pick just one but I think a necro comes close.

I've use both and I think they're great. Their play styles are a bit different though. The BvC tends to close the distance while the Necro tends to keep a distance (in general; specific situations can change it around). A BvC will try to stun, then tele-whirl. A Necro will try to set up a Spirit field, then use Spear to either snipe or move opponents into the Spirits. My BvC has a harder time against bowazons and smiters than my Necro while my Necro has a harder time against windys and ES sorcs than my BvC (these matchups are still do-able but the difficulty difference is there). In terms of cost, a BvC is a lot more expensive than a Necro. You also need to have a nice stash for your BvC while the necro doesn't need to change gear that much. Finally, in team duels, I find the BvC more helpful due to BO and leap.

Does having 1 pt in golem and golem mastery count as a bone/summon hybrid? If not, then I don't have experience with them. I would assume that it is just like a bone necro but with less damage and more tanking ability/protection.

I have not tried a ES/Orb sorc but from my experience with them, they are very hard to catch or hit. They don't hurt that much but they can keep hitting you (the aiming does not have to be so precise). The ES allows them to get away even if you catch them. The biggest problems are the low life (BvC can use OW and Necro can use Poison Nova wand) and the fact that the attack can be absorbed.

These are just my opinions though, based on my limited experiences in dueling. Hopefully, a more experienced player can give you more accurate/better information. Good luck in your duels.
 
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DmUgluk

Banned
Thanks for this information already :grin:

Well, I dont count Gumby Boner as a Bone//Summon hybrid. For me a Bone//Summon Hybrid is 20 Skels, 20 SM, 20 Bone Spirit, 20 Bone Spear or so.
 
Sechler

Sechler

Diabloii.Net Member
1.6k ES/Orb Sorc's w/ max block are pretty nasty in pvp.
Although I love my BVC for versatility. He only struggles w/ very good tele/smiters and bvb's.
 
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SicHalo

Diabloii.Net Member
Outa that list Bone nec or BvC, bone nec can take alot of chars.

However i preffer BvC as it can deal with pretty much any char without being hugely dissadvantage, i.e absorb etc.

And is very versatile to use, only a good bvb can beat this but even then u have a good chance with widowmaker.

BvA can work i tried this it is ok as it is good allround however u do lack a bit compared to both a bvb or bvc due to the fact that ur defence is lower so a decent bvb should win, ur leap and hp is lower than bvc, affecting ur caster abilites.
 
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Ce Olba

Banned
I voted "BvC//BvA", 100% the BvC side there.

Why BvC?
Because I myself play a BvC and I find playing one very fun. BvCs are also very effective and beat every other build listed, however a BvA might be a bit of trouble, but not as much as a BvB. Also BvCs can easily clean up public games and are a very effective tool in shutting up cocky 12-years-olds. However, a BvC might be a bit difficult to use at first, but once you get used to it and get a good hang of triwhirling, you will end up destroying public games too easily. BvCs are also good in TvT and 1v1.
 
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StillGreen

Diabloii.Net Member
Based on Ce Olba's comments, I just want to say a few things:

1. It's true that BvC's are very effective but I just want the original poster to also realize that it's not an automatic victory ("ezpk" as the pubs would call it). It does require skill, practice, and experience. None of your attacks are auto-aim so its not as easy to play for example, Bowazons and FoHer's (no offense to either class). However, once you get good at it, it can be very fun.

2. I forgot to mention that regardless of whatever you build, fun is the most important. Maybe simply killing is fun for you - in which case you'll use anything as long as it kills (classes that come to mind are TG druids, FC zons). However, if you enjoy dueling for the battle itself, then play a character with strategies you like. Personally, I don't tend to like super powerhouse builds (1-hit KO type things) because you don't really get a chance to exchange maneuvers with an opponent. With my necro, I had the most fun with a spear duel against another necro. We stayed pretty much on the same screen and it was nonstop action of sniping. With the BvC, I also had a really fun duel with a max block bone necro. It was a long duel but extreme fun. He wasn't playing pure defensive as he would sometimes get aggressive with those spears causing me to go defensive at times. I also get the same experiences with a very fast fb sorc. My friend, Mikolas, plays with a WW/Trap sin because he found that one fun to play. Our sin/necro duels were always great.
 
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DmUgluk

Banned
Yes, fun is highly important indeed :grin: .
However a character that cant kill is no fun :p

Yes,
I have seriously considered either of these builds. Problem is I have a Bone Necro and though he isnt very powerful yet I know his potential. (you can almost "feel" your opponents fear...)

I also have 9 necro summon skillers and a perf necro torch which are reasons a boner or bone//summon hybrid appeal to me (plus the fact that I have loved Necros all the way).

Is a Bone//summon hybrid viable? I mean with this: is the Bone Damage good? I have a Summoner and he totally *O*W*N*S* all duels (I have only been defeated by a very good BVC and Fireball Sorc so far).
If I make a Bone//Summon Hybrid what skills hould I max? Skeleton Mastery ofc, but Mages or Skeletons, and Spear or Spirit?

Another thing:
I already have a fully built ES//Orbsorc + equiment (34 DF 18 NW 20 Ormus etc) adn I likeher a lot too.

OK, so BVC is very powerful. But how expensive would one be in HRs?
 
Uncle_Mike

Uncle_Mike

D2 PvP Moderator
DmUgluk said:
Yes, fun is highly important indeed :grin: .
However a character that cant kill is no fun :p

Yes,
I have seriously considered either of these builds. Problem is I have a Bone Necro and though he isnt very powerful yet I know his potential. (you can almost "feel" your opponents fear...)

I also have 9 necro summon skillers and a perf necro torch which are reasons a boner or bone//summon hybrid appeal to me (plus the fact that I have loved Necros all the way).

Is a Bone//summon hybrid viable? I mean with this: is the Bone Damage good? I have a Summoner and he totally *O*W*N*S* all duels (I have only been defeated by a very good BVC and Fireball Sorc so far).
If I make a Bone//Summon Hybrid what skills hould I max? Skeleton Mastery ofc, but Mages or Skeletons, and Spear or Spirit?

Another thing:
I already have a fully built ES//Orbsorc + equiment (34 DF 18 NW 20 Ormus etc) adn I likeher a lot too.

OK, so BVC is very powerful. But how expensive would one be in HRs?
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If you are aiming for high end gear it would be extremely expensive. In fact on a perfect bvc each sc would be multiple hrs or multiple ists.
I would say that bone necro seems to be a nice choice and I guess it is easier to play as well. You have never said how experienced you are in duels or how rich you are :wink3:

Choose the build that you enjoy most if you ask me, and master it :thumbsup:
I voted bone necro btw.
Mike

edit: @results is this a bvc forum? :laugh:
 
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DmUgluk

Banned
Well...
I'm not too rich but quite wealthy. I am very experienced in dueling with my Orbsorc and Summon Necro.

Hmm I think Bone Necro or Bone//Summon Hybrid would be the best for me. BVC could get too expensive.
I do need to know however:
what is the best choice? Bone//Summon or pure Bone?
I have virtually all the equipment for any of these 2.
 
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oneBlast

Diabloii.Net Member
"melee druit" will never win to a half decent smiter, but noone mentioned these.
How would a "melee druit" beat a boner?
 
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Uchiha Sasuke

Banned
oneBlast said:
"melee druit" will never win to a half decent smiter, but noone mentioned these.
How would a "melee druit" beat a boner?
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Err.... it could kill ES/orb sorcs easily since they need to get pretty close to actually hit... and with a range-5 wpn.... maybe get lucky with boner.... no idea with rest.
 
Sechler

Sechler

Diabloii.Net Member
Sounds like you're partial to nec's. I know this wasn't on your list, but I've always thought that nova nec's w/ some skellies and teeth are tough to beat. They totally decimate life on an ES sorc, or any build for that matter. My 6k life bvc has his life reduced to 1pt after one nova last night. Then it was a down to avoiding teeth. I watched him kill or send everyone running back to town. There was the occassional pally charge that nailed him or i nl tele/ww him, but that was it. He was very mobile and skilled at fly-by novas then teeth from a distance. :shocked: I was surprised.
 
Xenon[XoA]

Xenon[XoA]

Banned
I havent come across a single decent melee druid on East since Kaz stopped...

Assuming equal skill level, and roughly equal gear - in terms of wealth, bvcs would obliterate melee druids. while I enjoy playing mostly sorcis, I don't think they belong on the top x pvp lists, simply because their damage is elemental, and can be absorbed or stacked.

Bone/Summon hybrid would have my vote, alongside hammerdin, although I wouldn't put quite so much into the summon tree as you have. Maybe 20 SM, and 1pt revives, skeles, mages, insight IG.

Most ppl simply don't have the skill (hey - me included :p) to play or make decent bvcs, that wont get their asses handed to them by anything nonsorbable. But they would be 2nd or 3rd on my list, if we were to assume equal skill in handling the characters.
 
Dennis_KoreanGuy

Dennis_KoreanGuy

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I voted BvC because it was the most pub effective build from that list, but there are other very competent builds as well, like a libby.
 
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