which build for pvp ?

moonlike

Banned
which build for pvp ?

1)assa with trap skillers and chaos claws (to defensive ww away and vs es sorcs to bleed them with ow )+ fools claws vs high def palas and barbs(1point into venom and mastery) fools claws umed can be used whole time imo

2)trap/ww hybrid - maxed venom and rest into traps (happyassasin build or close to that - i dont like 7k dmg in it because if opponent wears tg ur traps are almost usless (only good as a back up not as a main source of dmg)

3)pure ghost -maxed venom,claw mastery, only 1 point in traps to use them for stun(weak build vs hammers,barbs imo)

i would like to make a wwing traper(1st on list) but im not sure thats best and most versatile assa , so i ask if somebody can confirm or tell which build is best for pvp .

ps. tbh i think about build which has 10k-11k trap dmg and decent venom(maxed or dunno its worth to give there points if i wont use shadow sks)
with 11k traps tg just soften dmg but its still good and venom /ow would be also decent - im not sure that its possible to get such good stats ....
if yes what would be skill placement ?
 

WhiteAlien

Banned
I vote for trap/ww hybrid. I like happyassasin build. I think trap/ww are better in all vs all.

Myself I play simple Bramble sin. I like it, coz it does the best psn/ow dmg from all assa types, have good survivability. Also lvl21 thorns helps vs melee.
 

Lyrs

Diabloii.Net Member
Bramble has a lot going for it beyonds the thorns. FHR and +%psn dmg to name a two.
 

Von Lazuli

Diabloii.Net Member
My vote goes for Ghost.

I have not played the first build, but I played the second for a while and now am back playing a ghost...

Although they are weaker (well... than a trap hybrid) against hammerdins (although maxed mindblast and the higher attack rating than the hybrid wins most of these duels) and Barbs, I prefer them over the hybrids as I simply do not like not maxing Mind Blast and Claw Mastery, plus the greater gear flexibilty is nice.

Both trap/ww and ghost sins are very viable, and both have their own strengths and weaknesses. I would rate them approximately equally, and it simply comes down to your personal tastes. Mind you, it could be that I didn't like trap/ww hyrbids as much because I came straight from playing a ghost and played her too aggressively.

Laz
 

order

Diabloii.Net Member
in some effect. a ghost might be a nicer build. i find pure wwsins fair better against sorb hammer and barbs in most cases. there is quite a bit of variability in this sin too. with high ar and decent fcr bps i think it could have some potential in areas that even a ls/ ww hybrid cant easily compete.
 

moonlike

Banned
in some effect. a ghost might be a nicer build. i find pure wwsins fair better against sorb hammer and barbs in most cases. there is quite a bit of variability in this sin too. with high ar and decent fcr bps i think it could have some potential in areas that even a ls/ ww hybrid cant easily compete.
my build will be different i want use 12k or close traps and chaos+good fools claw all time(fools with ls skill and um for ow in fast claw)
so if somebody puts tgod (which is gm abs and most ppl do it vs traper nowadays) my trap dmg still will be good and if they go close to me i will ww away hopefully hiting them with ow + some venom dmg, ow +venom is also very helpfull vs high es sorc where traps dont make so much dmg

ps. fools claw means i will have np with ar to hit them even without stating points into claw mastery



 

Von Lazuli

Diabloii.Net Member
ps. fools claw means i will have np with ar to hit them even without stating points into claw mastery
Fools claw on a pure trapper will maybe hit 10k AR (because of the low claw block multiplier)? This is still not enough for taking on high defence opponents, and these high defence opponents are usually the ones that can easily absorb your trap damage to 0 (Hammerdins, Smiters, to a lesser extent BvA, but you dont have much chance against an absorbing BvA/BvC anyway...)

My Ghost runs 15k Ar in regular gear and can swap to ravens for 22k.

Laz



 

moonlike

Banned
Fools claw on a pure trapper will maybe hit 10k AR (because of the low claw block multiplier)? This is still not enough for taking on high defence opponents, and these high defence opponents are usually the ones that can easily absorb your trap damage to 0 (Hammerdins, Smiters, to a lesser extent BvA, but you dont have much chance against an absorbing BvA/BvC anyway...)

My Ghost runs 15k Ar in regular gear and can swap to ravens for 22k.

Laz

claw block adds ar ?
didnt knew that but i will add enough points in it to get optimal block rate so np
those absorbing hammers will also rape normal hybrid imo :( but still they will need to charge to get from fhr lock and then they have no def and low block

i will duel usually priv so tg is max which opponents are allowed to use.



 

Rabbitz

Diabloii.Net Member
10k Traps = plenty

It only requires decent claws to do so ( you could even get away with pure +3 ls runics)
 

moonlike

Banned
10k Traps = plenty

It only requires decent claws to do so ( you could even get away with pure +3 ls runics)
i have 3ls chaos atm need only decent fools(trade is in progres ^^)

its hard for me to belive u have 10k without any trap skillers
(i have 11.5k atm with 9 trap skillers!)
as it will be my first hybrid i will test on it which trap/venom dmg is best (i think it will be alot of chars before i get best numbers XD)
i just wanted to ask more experienced players whats their opinion (i had pure ghost 1 lvl trap and i disappointed on venom dmg so i want test more trap dmg +good ow)

ahh my dream fools claw would be :
runic talons
200ed :)
2assa skill
3ls
fools mode
ethereal self repair
2soc(ums in it)
(not sure they can spawn tho XD)

btw i found 10k to low on my old storm shield traper vs barbs and hammers- when they use tg killing them takes to much time and its big chance they will kill u first before they will run out of life



 

Rabbitz

Diabloii.Net Member
I slightly overstatted myself, + I use a rare 1xxar/14 ( or 15 str) / 10ish dex/ mana ring.
 
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