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Which Bow to upgrade

Discussion in 'Amazon' started by DjYabbo, Mar 23, 2004.

  1. DjYabbo

    DjYabbo IncGamers Member

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    Which Bow to upgrade

    Hi!
    At the moment i'm about to upgrade a bow. At the moment i have 2chioce's

    1. Goldstrike
    2. wws

    Which one should i go for??

    Btw, it's for a strafezon

    Cheers
    Yabbo
     
  2. Anidem

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    WWS is nice for strafe because of its faster base speed. I think 85 ias will bring strafe to a 2 frame rate of fire.
     
  3. DjYabbo

    DjYabbo IncGamers Member

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    Thanks for advice.. Think i go for wws.. 40res all is nice also..

    Cheers
    Yabbo
     
  4. heilskov

    heilskov IncGamers Member

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    it depends...

    WWS:

    if you have 2 perfect bows, wws and goldstrike arch, then do wws if you can get ahold of 2 x Ed/max dmg jewels.

    a perfect wws with dual 40/+30 max dmg jewels does = 116 - 350 dmg.
    now with 99% DS you´ll always be doing double dmg so = 232-700
    now amp can stack with this damage making that twice as much = 464 -1400

    Imagine it as having a bow that had 464-1400 dmg on it, that would be your wws when amp activates. and the 232-700 dmg is still nice, almost beats a Wf, and it´ll save you about 10 skill points into critical strike.


    goldstrick arch:

    upgraded it would do:

    35-238 (if perfect)
    and with those 200% ed undead and demons: to them it acts as a 105-714
    now with a few lvls into cricalstirke you can get a good % CS to do double dmg = 210-1428 to undead/demons.

    socket it with a get a 40/+30 jewel, and it becomes: 39 - 382
    with 200% ed = 117 - 1146
    now with cricalstirke that becomes = 234 - 2292 dmg to undeads/demons.


    windforce:

    with a 40/+30 max as well:

    39 - 382 +3.125 Per Character Level
    eg. lvl 90 = 39 - 663

    with a cricalstirke giving double dmg thats: 78 - 1326


    I recammende you go with a goldstrike arch. the jewel with +max dmg means alot tho, also if you get more ed. to demons eg. Loh then which is 350% then a wf out damages a goldstrike arch.


    arch: 39 - 382 with 550% ed to demons = 254 - 2483 avg. 1369
    wf: 39-663 with 350% ed to demons = 176 - 2984 avg. 1580

    with dex and so this difference becomes bigger, and with other factors as well.


    anyways there are my suggestions to why I think you should pick the goldstrike arch, if its close to being perfect over the wws.
     
  5. DjYabbo

    DjYabbo IncGamers Member

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    I actually have a close to perfect goldstrike, and a close to perfect wws, and i upgraded wws.. But, i do think i should have upgraded goldstrike instead, after trying wws out. Well.. Next time i upgrade goldstrike, just to check out the difference...

    thanks for the help.

    Cheers
    Yabbo
     
  6. S.S.Psycho

    S.S.Psycho IncGamers Member

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    what should i put in a wws besides 40 ed/15 max? im a LF zon using wws as backup

    here is my equip
    maras
    coh
    coa (2 sockets here as well proablly 5/5 lf)
    ss + uped eth titans
    silkweave
    tgod
    5% BK RING + raven
    loh

    what i wondering was if i should sheal it and something else or should i use something else???
     
  7. EdvinMedvind

    EdvinMedvind IncGamers Member

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    I'm sorry, but I think your calculations are wrong. For one thing the %ed is added to each other and not multiplied. ED can either add to the base damage of the weapon or to your bonus modifier. I think I read somewhere that %ed to demons/undead are added to the bonus modifier and not to the base damage which makes the effect of it smaller.

    I'm not sure if what I wrote is clear to you, but it has been described here: http://www.planetdiablo.com/library/concept-damage.htm
     
  8. heilskov

    heilskov IncGamers Member

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    that url kicks arse... good reading.
    still didnt say where the ed. to monsters and so where added, But I get your point. I guess your right, about the bonus modifier.

    I´ll redo the cals:
    using that sites info.
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    using 300 dex here in cal:
    minimum damage: 10 + (300 / 100 * 10) + (x% * 10)


    10 = base dmg
    (300 / 100 * 10) = dex bonus
    (x% *10) = the ed bonus

    goldstrike has 250% ed standart. 10-68 dmg with a hydra bow.

    10 + (300 / 100 * 10) + (2,50 * 10) = 65 min dmg
    68 + (300 / 100 * 68) + (2,50 * 68) = 442 max dmg

    now we add a 40%ed + 30 max dmf jewel into it:
    after his cals we get: 250+40=290

    10 + (300 / 100 * 10) + (2,90 * 10) = 69 min dmg
    (68+30) + (300 / 100 * (68+30)) + (2,90 * (68+30)) = 676 max dmg

    this is what it should be showing in the screen... with his cals.

    with the ed. to demons added at the ed part this is what you will be doing dmg wise but wont be seing in your screen. 200% ed = 2,0

    10 + (300 / 100 * 10) + ((2,90+2,0) * 10) = 89
    (68+30) + (300 / 100 * (68+30)) + ((2,90+2,0) * (68+30)) = 872


    lets try a wws with dual 40%ed+30 max jewels:

    33-40 dmg for a Diamond Bow (upgraded) 170 ed +80(from jewels)

    33 + (300 / 100 * 33) + (2,5 * 33) = 215 min dmg
    (40+60) + (300 / 100 * (40+60)) + (2,5 * (40+60)) = 650 max dmg

    what I do know is that DS is added taht the very end of the equation=

    215x 2 = 430 min
    650x 2 = 1300 max

    the screen wont show this either.

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    thx for the help dude... I redid the cals the right way...

    in conclusion to this good call on upgrading the wws, hope you finde 2 x 40/30 jewels.
     
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    heilskov IncGamers Member

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    ^^ sorry about wrong info on top.

    doing a wf for fun: 300 dex, lvl 90

    10-68 hydra bow, 250% ed + 40%ed/30 max jewel , lvl 90 x 3,125 max dmg pr lvl = 281 dmg

    10 + (300 / 100 * 10) + ((2,5+0,4) * 10) = 65 min dmg

    (68+30+281) + (300/100 *(68+30+281))+((2,5+0,4)*(68+30+281)) = 2617 max dmg


    now lets try with laying of hands gloves. 350% ed = 3,5

    10 + (300 / 100 * 10) + ((2,5+0,4+3,5) * 10) = 104 min dmg

    (68+30+281)+(300/100*(68+30+281))+((2,5+0,4+3,5)*(68+30+281))= 3944 max dmg


    the 104-3944 wont be shown but it´ll be the dmg that you do to demons.
    65-2617 will be shown, with a wf at lvl 90, with 300 dex and a 40/30 jewel.


    hehe lol I found a error agian, Im not gonna corect it cus its taken up enough time, the error was the way ed jewels add dmg, I added it the way it would be in armors and helms, not like the way it would be in weapons, meaning my calculations in nr. are lower than they should be.

    anyways Im off to lvl my ama.... ^^
     
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    I think I read the thing about where the %ed to undead/demons is added somewhere in these forums.
     
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    Witchwild String ....no contest

    edit - As for what to socket into the WWS, if you can get the 85% IAS necessary for a 2 frame strafe then put something like shael+nef in the bow, otherwise 2x shael in the bow.
     
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    heilskov IncGamers Member

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    you can get isa elsewhere.. also ed and +max/min dmg gives more when its on the weapon than else where. another thing to consider is that dmg with be quadopeled. So dmg returns are high. I say go dmg.


    higher dmg = less arrows
    higher speed = maybe same dmg output pr min, more arrows.
     
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    like I said before, WWS, Don't worry, Be happy!
     
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    heilskov IncGamers Member

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    :)

    I love that... nice posting, most people rack on people in here. Your posting is a nice change there should be more of your kinde around in these forums. ^^
     
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    where did u get these 40/30 jewels from?
    ed% works better on a weapon but + to max or min is the same.
    wws or gs are both good bows but after many long debates it seems that gs is actually better when its not upgraded. seeing as you can put the points into dex ect.
    although running around with a purple bow is pretty embarassing IMO
     

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