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When is Critical/Deadly applied?

Discussion in 'Amazon' started by Grobyc, May 10, 2005.

  1. Grobyc

    Grobyc IncGamers Member

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    When is Critical/Deadly applied?

    Does anyone know when does Critical/Deadly is applied? Is it the overall damage minus the elemental or to base damage, etc. etc.?
     
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    to final physical damage, so i guess thats the same as 'overall damage (char screen) - the ele/magic damage porion of it.
     
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    superdave IncGamers Member

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    actually it is a little more complicated and i may even be wrong but i think the following is closer to the mark.....
    critical and deadly strike double PHYSICAL damage....elemental or magic damage will never be doubled by critical or deadly strikes except that portion of elemental/magic damage that is CONVERTED from physical damage....i believe that this is the only case where elemental or magic damage is doubled by a successful strike
     
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    Also both can't occur, no quadruple damage. It's one or the other. Critical is rolled first, if it doesn't happen, then Deadly is rolled. If Critical goes off, Deadly is not checked.
     
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    the chance of your zon doing double physical damage is....CS + (DS/100)*(100-CS)
     
  6. Grobyc

    Grobyc IncGamers Member

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    So is it applied before or after aura(s) (i.e. Might, Concentration, Fanatacism)?
     
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    the effects of auras that add to physical damage will also be doubled.....the elemental damage from vengeance(did i spell that right?)...is NOT doubled
     
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    Zerk is doubled with a deadly hit, consistent with what he is saying (conversion skills do get pumped up by CS/DS). IIRC, magic arrow, fire arrow and cold arrow do too.
     
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    correct the only bow skills that convert phys damage to elemental damage are....MA, fire arrow and cold arrow.
    FA, ice arrow, immolation arrow & exploding arrow add elemental damage directly
     
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    Grobyc IncGamers Member

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    Isn't that because if it crits, the damage is doubled and then the damage is converted? Just kind of figuring if that is true.

    And yes, you spelled vengeance correctly :). Thanks for the help, guys.
     
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    ok lets use ma as an example.....the physical damage of the bow is added to all +physical damage items on the zon or in inventory...this damage is then multiplied by the dex bonus and any +% physical damage items/auras
    the + damage from ma is then added to the physical damage
    this amount is then doubled for a successful critical or deadly strike.

    from this total the converted magic damage is then calculated and deducted from the physical total....for example at lvl 20 ma 20% of all physical damage is converted to magic damage

    hope this clears things up
     
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    ToThePoint IncGamers Member

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    Better check which forum im in next time^^
     
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    I have maxed critical and I use Highlords, on my strafe if one doesnt hit the other does. I kill monsters at a very good rate. Im not sure about you guys.
     
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    it does look more like the stats forum sometimes
     
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    Hardly :) I mean that before posting an oversimplistic answer i check it applies to the forum like druid or pala^^
     

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