What's up with tradevalues?

Batang

Diabloii.Net Member
What's up with tradevalues?

Hello everyone!

As you can see, I'm new to these forums and I was a bit unsure about where to post, so if this is completely the wrong place, I'm sorry.

I've had a pretty huge break from diablo2 and started to play again, just a few days back. I was a bit hesitant about writing this thread here, since it might have been better off in the newcomers forum, but since I'm not exactly a newbie, I thought this was a better place to post, since I do have a few gameplay related questions comming up (I'm sorry if I offended anyone or broke the forum rules, can't quite remember if it was the word involving two o's that was prohibited, or if it was the word all together). Anyway, I stopped playing diablo about half a year before v1.10, so it has been a little confusing to get started, but fun none the less. ;) I've been able to catch up on the most important gameplay changes, but something that seems to have completely changed are the trading values and such. I've been reading the trade forums and I have to say that a lot of the items/prices there, seem kind of ridiculous to me. I actully like the fact that you can buy items with p.gems and such and that makes sense, since afaik there's a horadric cube recipe that you can re-roll(?) a charm's abilities with, which involves p.gems.

Nowdays however, it seems that items like ethereal elite weapons/armor sell for loads and for even more when they are superior (atleast if you compare to 1.09, where as far as I remember they weren't worth anything (atleast most of them)). Also socketed items values make me wonder, since it looks like exceptional armor with 3 sockets or something similar are often traded for medium runes and such and to me this seems like quite a bit, since even I have found two or three of these during about one week of play. I absolutely do understand that an ethereal berserker axe with 5-6 sockets can be extremely difficult to find and that it's value thereby is high, but when I see ethereal elite polearms/axes/swords whatnot (same with armor) WITHOUT any sockets or even without being ethereal, going for even pretty high runes (well, high in my opinion atlast ;) ), I can't but wonder what has made the tradevalues change so dramatically. In a way it makes sense that runes are worth less because of the hf actully being usefull nowdays, but I find it hard to believe that it is easier to come by an ist rune, than it is to find an ethereal berserker axe for instance (atleast on ladder :) ). I also want to make it clear that I'm not whining about the values, I'm simply curious.

English is not my native tongue, so the text most likely contains some spelling errors. I wrote this at work and I was interrupted several times, so I'm sorry if I have been repeating myself. I did however read through the text and afaik it's readable.

Thanks for spending your time reading through this post and thanks in advance for any possible input. :thumbsup:

EDIT: Can't believe I completely overlooked the Trade Values forum, I guess it would have made a lot more sense to post this there, oh well...
 

Voidtec

Diabloii.Net Member
I'm sure someone else can come up with a much better explanation, but as far as I see it, the prices are as they are due to the horrific duping of hi runes, which drives up the price of everything else, due to so many duped runes floating around.

More money(duped runes) means more people have alot more money to spend on items which normally wouldnt go for what they are going for.

Thats the way I see it & I'm sticking to my story. :thumbsup:

Also, eth items will always obviously go for more(alot more it seems these days), since they are better def or more dmg, and the stat req are less then non-eth.

Sockets add value obviously too, since people are lazy & dont want to use socket quest or cube to make their own sockets.
 

Batang

Diabloii.Net Member
Voidtec said:
I'm sure someone else can come up with a much better explanation, but as far as I see it, the prices are as they are due to the horrific duping of hi runes, which drives up the price of everything else, due to so many duped runes floating around.

More money(duped runes) means more people have alot more money to spend on items which normally wouldnt go for what they are going for.

Thats the way I see it & I'm sticking to my story. :thumbsup:

Also, eth items will always obviously go for more(alot more it seems these days), since they are better def or more dmg, and the stat req are less then non-eth.

Sockets add value obviously too, since people are lazy & dont want to use socket quest or cube to make their own sockets.
Thanks for the reply. I guess that makes sense, I just somehow thought that duping wasn't such a big issue in ladder but I guess I was wrong.

Btw, what is it that ethereal items (just ethereal) are used for? Has imbuing got more popular in LoD? Or is it possible to add more than one socket to them with a cube formula or something?
 

nubikoen

Diabloii.Net Member
Batang said:
Thanks for the reply. I guess that makes sense, I just somehow thought that duping wasn't such a big issue in ladder but I guess I was wrong.

Btw, what is it that ethereal items (just ethereal) are used for? Has imbuing got more popular in LoD? Or is it possible to add more than one socket to them with a cube formula or something?
That because there's a bug that add's an additional 50% ed to the base def of ethereal armor's (shields, helmets and body armors) when socketed using the cube recipes found here

And I think the post belongs in the community forum, I'm sure a mod will move it as soon as he/she has a spare minute :)
 

A C E

Banned
The socketed armors and weapons are all worth alot because of runewords. Runewords are the new, "uber" items so most sup / sup eth items go for alot. Some can be traded w/o sockets b/c they can use thr cube or socket quests to add either a random number of sockets or the maximium sockets. Greif, enigma, BoTD, doom, fort, coh, and alot of other runewords are much sough after.


Also, duping isn't THAT big of a problem, but it has affected the rune values.



List of the most sought after things.

-runewords
-sup / eth / bugged armors + weapons
-high runes
-skill charms /skill charms with second mod
-3/20/20 sc
-helmets with good casting mods + CoA
-other godly uniques
 

Batang

Diabloii.Net Member
Thanks for your replies guys. I actually did know about the 50% increase in dmg and armor of ethereal items. I also know that there are runewords that are worth a lot and that socketable items thereby are needed. Pretty much the only thing that I was confused about after the first reply, was what non-magical ethereal items (without sockets) were needed for. However, if there actully is a way to add several sockets to these items, it makes a lot of sense.

I actully have an other question. I've seen several people (on the trade forum once again) talking about dropping items during trade. I was wondering if this only was an issue when the trade exceeded 40 inventory slots, or if this is done because there is some sort of hack(?) that can be used in the trade window? (and thereby you would use this method when the other party can't be trusted)

EDIT: And to avoid any misunderstandings, I'm asking this because if these "hacks" actully do exist, I'd like to avoid them. ;)
 

A C E

Banned
The Gheeds, Annilius, and Hellfire charms cannot be put in the trade window so they must be dropped traded. This makes trading them very risky as there are hacks (ex, lagging a player out of the game) and scams (picking up through walls) that are often used during such trades.

There is also supposed to be a hack that lets a player switch an item in the trade screen w/o the button turning red or taking the other player's button out of the accept state. I think it only works with items that take up only 1 inv. space...
 

Batang

Diabloii.Net Member
Ok, that was new to me. I am aware of the fact that you can only have one of each of the mentioned charms on one char, but I didn't know you are unable to trade them even if the char you are trading with didn't already have one. I guess I'll have to try my best to avoid these scammers, even tho that can prove quite difficult, since I really don't know any d2 players anymore. I guess I could try the same thing as many other peaople seem to be doing: trading with people with a high amount of posts on these forums, since I guess that actually makes them more trustworthy. Anyways, thanks a lot to all you guys for helping me clear these thing out. :clap:
 

Batang

Diabloii.Net Member
There's one thing I still don't quite understand. I see a lot of people selling superior items without any sockets, but as it would seem, the socket-adding cubeformula doesn't work on superior items. What is it that these items are needed for?
 

oneBlast

Diabloii.Net Member
Batang said:
There's one thing I still don't quite understand. I see a lot of people selling superior items without any sockets, but as it would seem, the socket-adding cubeformula doesn't work on superior items. What is it that these items are needed for?
The cube formula doesn't, but Larzuk reward for A5 quest does.
So, if you find 15ed/15dura white Mage Plate anywhere from NM to HELL, go to Larzuk and make it 3 soc :)

You can trade this beauty for some nice rune, I'm sure.
 

Batang

Diabloii.Net Member
oneBlast said:
The cube formula doesn't, but Larzuk reward for A5 quest does.
So, if you find 15ed/15dura white Mage Plate anywhere from NM to HELL, go to Larzuk and make it 3 soc :)

You can trade this beauty for some nice rune, I'm sure.
Heh. So you can actully get several sockets from that quest nowdays? :drool:

Oh well, thanks again for clearing this up! ;)
 
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