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whats the max poison damage on sc's

Discussion in 'Theorycrafting and Statistics' started by smeer, Sep 20, 2006.

  1. smeer

    smeer IncGamers Member

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    whats the max poison damage on sc's

    What's the maximum poison damage you can get on a sc?
    And is it worth re-roling a baal sc in order to get such a sc?
     
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    Charms can get poison damage from a prefix and from a suffix. The highest damage prefix is "pestilent" with 175 damage over 6 seconds and the highest damage suffix is "of antrax" with 50 poison damage over 6 seconds, so the highest damage sc obviously is a pestilent sc of anthrax. In combination, the charm deals the sum of damage per unit of time over the sum of the durations, i.e. 175/6+50/6 = 37.5 damage per second over 6+6 = 12 seconds, i.e. a total of 450 damage over 12 seconds. The game actually calculates this on a per frame base, so rounding leads to slightly different amounts - IIRC it's 451.

    BTW, only Diablo, Nihlathak and Baal can drop these SCs respectively only SCs from them can be rerolled into a 451 pdscs.
     
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    Where "dum" = "sum".
     
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    krischan Europe Trade Moderator

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    OK, I fixed it :azn:
     
  5. Dad Daniel

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    Aren't the 313 psn damage scs the highest possible one's?
    :azn:
     
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    helvete IncGamers Member

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    Nope. 451 ones are.

    Personally, I use either casters or fast hitting chars, so I never really valued poison charms high at all. Duration on these charms are like forever.
     
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    well, if you have 25 of the 451/12 psn charms, thats 939 psn damage per second for 12 seconds. now, most people in duels will have 75% poison resistance.

    So this is what ive always wondered. Say i have a double throw barb and i have 25 451/12s in my inventory. I throw at my opponent and score a hit, then switch to dual death webs. Will this help?
     
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    the psn resistance is applied to each second of psn damage not all 12 seconds

    also i dont think that would be very affective at all

    you will have 11275/12 seconds which is
    940 roughly per second,
    pvp reduces that to 157,
    then 75 resistance makes that 39 damage a second
    then there is -psn duration reducing the damage farther

    OW works a lot better for barbs than psn damage
     
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    Calizzar IncGamers Member

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    Well if im wearing bramble and trangs gloves (someone on another part of this forum told me this works with charms) and 37 451/12s, the damage output is:

    451 * 37 = 16687 (37 charms)
    16687 * 1.67 = 27867 (bramble and trangs gloves)
    27867 / 12 = 2322 damage per second
    2322 * .17 = 394 (pvp penalty)
    If opponent has 75 poison res, and i switch to dual 5/5 facet'd dwebs:
    394 * 1.35 = 531 poison damage per second

    not that bad

    whereas open wounds if i'm level 85 is:

    ((45 * 90 - 1319) / 256) * .125 * 25 * 8 = 266 damage over 8 seconds

    531 psn dmg over 1 second
    266 OW damage over 8 seconds

    ... hmmm. I'm liking that poison damage more.

    If im dueling a character with 4000 life, i can just hit once and in 7.5 seconds they'll be dead. So i can just use hit and run tactics.
     
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    wat does reroling mean? can some1 xplain this 2 me
     
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    Don't forget about negative (-100%) poison length reduction in hell! Making that double the duration and dmg.
     
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    They are referring to using the cube recipe (3 PGems + magic item) in order to change the mods on charms.
     
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    what exactly are the penalties applied when pvping?
     
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    PvP penalty is 1/6 of the damage you would deal before resistances come into play.

    As for other penalties:

    Leech is severely penalized

    Iron Maiden/Thorns/etc. are penalized

    I think that's about it.
     
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    Re: whats the max poison damage on sc's

    This goes back a couple posts, but ARE you able to hit someone with a poison attack and then switch weapons to one's that give a poison bonus and have that bonus take effect or do you need to attack with those bonus weapons at the beginning?
     
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    Re: whats the max poison damage on sc's

    That one .



     
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    Re: whats the max poison damage on sc's

    That's what I thought, but earlier Calizzar was talking about switching to dual death webs to gain their bonus and nobody corrected him which surprised me. So, I just though I'd ask and make sure that there was some trick that I've been missing this whole time =)
     
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    Re: whats the max poison damage on sc's

    I'm rather sure that later reductions of poison res or later increases of damage don't influence ongoing poison effects.
     
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    Re: whats the max poison damage on sc's

    Lower Resist's Poison Resist -% and -% Enemy Poison Resistance are applied to a target when it is poisoned, so if you apply poison damage with a melee attack and then cast LR or switch weapons then this has no effect. The only exception is Rabies, since its poison damage can be periodically reapplied by the contagion after the initial bite.

    If you fire a missile applying poison damage and switch to -% EPR before the missile hits its target then the switch -%EPR applies. However, most missiles travel so quickly that this can be difficult to accomplish reliably: I'd only recommend it for Plague Javelin, since the poison clouds applying damage are released after the javelin hits.
     

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