whats the best non high rune armor for a zealer?

[nuropa]

Re: whats the best non high rune armor for a zealer?

smoke is nice and cheap, 50 res, 20FHR

 

[Bjam]

Re: whats the best non high rune armor for a zealer?

Shhhhhh! Guface, don't tell people how good Prudence is or you'll drive up the cost of those "ruined" eth glitches. Seriously, it is surprising and underrated. If you need more CB, then Duress is a winner.

 

[stephan]

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Strongly disagree there - 75% block with say defense for 15% hit vs 75% block and 95% hit is a huge difference. You're looking at 75% vs 96% damage reduction. Thats 6-7 fold damage reduction. I dont know how anyone can say thats not worth it.

But you'd need ~30k def to achieve that number. It's not worth it because you easily can leech back what you do take already and don't care about defense. 25 FHR and 25-35 res are rather average stat for an armor.

 

[zrk]

Re: whats the best non high rune armor for a zealer?

But you'd need ~30k def to achieve that number. It's not worth it because you easily can leech back what you do take already and don't care about defense. 25 FHR and 25-35 res are rather average stat for an armor.

Here the Hardcore vs Softcore issue comes to play again. In softcore its no worries with 10k defense either, most of the time it works fine as you said. But in hardcore the price for taking such a risk can be devastating. And about the res and fhr, those mods are available on other items too, whereas a buttload of defense can be only had from an armour.

 

[stephan]

Re: whats the best non high rune armor for a zealer?

Here the Hardcore vs Softcore issue comes to play again. In softcore its no worries with 10k defense either, most of the time it works fine as you said. But in hardcore the price for taking such a risk can be devastating.

It has absolutely nothing to do with HC vs. SC. That's just elitist humbug. The difference between HC and SC lies between you ears, not in character properties.

 

[MagpieLee]

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I have a smoke! They rock!

I saw the prudence but I'm finding eth gret elite lite armous hard to come by...and if I did ebug them into 2 sockets I would obviously make a nice prudence. Its just a bit hard to get at then mo for me. Thats why I would throw my endorsement to Smoke.

Other then that, Duress is pretty nice too for a runeword too (discounting CoH of course).

 

[guface]

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But you'd need ~30k def to achieve that number. It's not worth it because you easily can leech back what you do take already and don't care about defense. 25 FHR and 25-35 res are rather average stat for an armor.

I have no idea where 30k comes from but I started about 3 weeks ago on a zealot. I have pretty standard equiptment - guilamines, azure, upped zaka, duriels non upped, highlords, raven and rare ML ring with gores, and string both non upped with draculs gloves.

I get about 10k or so with holy shield and I can get about 30% on organ runs, and a5 hell is something like 15-25%. With my def merc switched on I get 10% on a5, and he keeps alive with the constant life tap procing. Im just saying that high defense is not out of reach of standard players with normal to semi decent equiptment. No exile in [email protected] 15ED crowns here. No CoHs.

I will wait till I have enough lem+kos to see if upping the other stuff makes a big difference. I doubt it will.

 

[stephan]

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I get about 10k or so with holy shield and I can get about 30% on organ runs, and a5 hell is something like 15-25%. With my def merc switched on I get 10% on a5, and he keeps alive with the constant life tap procing. Im just saying that high defense is not out of reach of standard players with normal to semi decent equiptment. No exile in [email protected] 15ED crowns here. No CoHs.

With 10k def a monster with 5k AR (and that's low for the monsters where it matters) there is always a 33% chance it will hit you, ignoring clvl. With 5k def it's 50%. With 30k it's about the 15 you mentioned.

Defense doesn't make you kill any faster and it isn't necessary to keep you alive either, especially with life tap around. I simply don't see the need to select items based on DR.

 

[MYK]

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Why do people care so much about defense? It's a pointless property for any PvM build, especially when you are already getting max block.

If you can mange heaps of it it can make a decent difference.

I used the ethereal Prudence armor on a conviction zealer. He didn't really have a means to leech his life back in a hurry so I threw on as much defense as I could. Truth be told it was a waste of a Mal.

It might have been better to use PDR items....but that routine gets old after a few characters.

Most of my other paladins used a Smoke armor or Treachery depending on what I was doing.

 

[guface]

Re: whats the best non high rune armor for a zealer?

With 10k def a monster with 5k AR (and that's low for the monsters where it matters) there is always a 33% chance it will hit you, ignoring clvl. With 5k def it's 50%. With 30k it's about the 15 you mentioned.

Defense doesn't make you kill any faster and it isn't necessary to keep you alive either, especially with life tap around. I simply don't see the need to select items based on DR.

with respect my original point was this

1. defense DOES matter as good defense and bad defense can make a 6-7 fold difference.
2. just because you have nice life suck/draculs does not mean defense is not necessary or at the least something to aim for
3. the extra defense comes with reasonable items such as duriels and others. The only expnsive item on that list is a zaka.


The actaul % to hit may of course not be 10 or 15%, I may have looked at a relatively weak monster for example, but that extra defense STILL has a makor impact on the game.

 

[stephan]

Re: whats the best non high rune armor for a zealer?

with respect my original point was this

1. defense DOES matter as good defense and bad defense can make a 6-7 fold difference.
2. just because you have nice life suck/draculs does not mean defense is not necessary or at the least something to aim for
3. the extra defense comes with reasonable items such as duriels and others. The only expnsive item on that list is a zaka.


The actaul % to hit may of course not be 10 or 15%, I may have looked at a relatively weak monster for example, but that extra defense STILL has a makor impact on the game.

Sorry I still disagree. I have never cared for defense on any of my chars and they all survived fine. Without life leech not so, without decent lightning res not so. Block is always a bit iffy for me (although not so much with 1 handed melee chars), but with a pally max block is so cheap that it's pretty much a no-brainer anyway.

I'm not saying Duriels/Prudence/etc. is a bad armor, but I simply wouldn't discount a Treachery, Lionheart or any other armor just because it has a lower defense. If you can get +10k def that never hurts, but not getting it is not the end of the world either.

 

[deadbeater]

Re: whats the best non high rune armor for a zealer?

There is nothing better for a zealer than Duress. Unless you want to kill monsters slowly. Then get Stone-d.