What's the best FA bow out of these:

[MYK]

What's the best FA bow out of these:

Harmony in a +3 Mat bow (+6 total, really high reqs)
Kuko (+6, Pierce, way low reqs)
Wizendraw (The -res looks pretty neat)

I'm having some trouble deciding. It looks like Kuko and Wizendraw are ahead of Harmony for sure, but both of them are pretty strong bows.

 

[chien]

Best FA bow will be ICE RW in MB. If not, all three have strength and weakness. I think you mean melody not harmony? Also, Kuko only give you +3 to bow. If you want cheap, I'd go wizendraw with good -res (-35 will be best for sure) and sheal it. It is a bit slow. It will be very hard to find a +3 MB with 3 OS to make Melody

Chien

BTW, just quote my discussion long time ago:

With the +8 skills I have correctly in bow switch, FA is doing 1655.5 (average, lvl28 FA).
For +3 Bow, I will have lvl31 FA, which does 1900.5 average damage. This is only about 15% increased FA damage. For melody in +3 bow (+6 total), I will have lvl34 FA, which does 2145 FA damage. This is a whopping 30% increased FA damage. Does this tell me my -33% wizendraw actually outperform these two bows purely from the damage point of view?

Many people actually like harmony in +3 bow a lot since it also offer other elemental damage and other goodies (vigor aura, good ED if good roll, +dex, +mana....).

BTW,+3, 4OS MB will be quite expensive since ppl will want to make Faith or ICE out of it

 

[MYK]

Best FA bow will be ICE RW in MB. If not, all three have strength and weakness. I think you mean melody not harmony? Also, Kuko only give you +3 to bow. If you want cheap, I'd go wizendraw with good -res (-35 will be best for sure) and sheal it. It is a bit slow. It will be very hard to find a +3 MB with 3 OS to make Melody

Chien

BTW, just quote my discussion long time ago:

With the +8 skills I have correctly in bow switch, FA is doing 1655.5 (average, lvl28 FA).
For +3 Bow, I will have lvl31 FA, which does 1900.5 average damage. This is only about 15% increased FA damage. For melody in +3 bow (+6 total), I will have lvl34 FA, which does 2145 FA damage. This is a whopping 30% increased FA damage. Does this tell me my -33% wizendraw actually outperform these two bows purely from the damage point of view?

Many people actually like harmony in +3 bow a lot since it also offer other elemental damage and other goodies (vigor aura, good ED if good roll, +dex, +mana....).

BTW,+3, 4OS MB will be quite expensive since ppl will want to make Faith or ICE out of it

Ah. I see. So, unless I get a really good Wizendraw it's most likely not going to do better than a typical Harmony/Melody +3 Mat Bow.
Unfortunately, I don't have the means of making an "Ice" anytime soon unless the required runes magically drop, so that's out.

I already have a Harmony in a +3 Mat bow, and I have a few others to cube as well. Those seem easier to get than the elusive -35% Wizen.

Thanks for the info

 

[crawlingdeadman]

i compared harmony and melody literally side by side (well switch) and found harmony outperforming it at every turn. the only thing melody has going for it over harmony is the smattering of ias.

 

[YogiRat]

Harmony can take out normal PIs (itchies, wraiths etc.) in Hell with strafe. IMO, +skills does not stand up to cold damage stacking for an FA zon and Harmony goes a long way to stack that cold damage. For getting decent attack speed, Treachery will help a great deal, this will also add another element to your attack when you strafe. Oops! I mentioned strafe again.:laugh: Well, you do need a way to leech back mana after your high level FA has sucked it dry.:evil:

Another IMO, the best RW an HC FA/strafe zon can hope to get is Silence. The runes are possible, (even though a Hoto is what everyone thinks of when they get that vex) the resists are just what you need and the hit blinds target is just off the charts!

 

[MYK]

I'm not building a strafer. Ever. Again. No leech really needed. I'll be hanging with Mr. Insight and listenin' to his Prayer.

It's actually for my #2 Fishyzon I'm starting up. I figure the build deserves a second chance from me...

 

[crawlingdeadman]

insight alone isnt enough.

 

[chien]

I guess wizendraw/melody/harmony all work since you are building fishyzon (hybrid). Upgrade to ICE when you have the runes and 4OS +3 MB

Chien

 

[AnimeCraze]

insight alone isnt enough.

I agree. Not even insight AND 80 points in energy. I had an LF/FA zon before, and spamming FA makes my mana disappear fast.

 

[MYK]

insight alone isnt enough.

Well, I'm not gonna use strafe

I'll throw on some 50+ mana charms if I have to, drink a potion now and then. I can make it work well enough, trust me. :smiley:

 

[crawlingdeadman]

did you have a bad time w/ a strafer?

 

[MYK]

did you have a bad time w/ a strafer?

Not really a bad experience. I just don't think Strafe is that pretty.

I haven't made a dedicated strafe yet. I'm not yet ready for the all dex club. :wink3:

 

[chien]

Not sure you use LF more or FA more. Since I use LF more, I find shealed wizendraw is doing fine for me for Light immune. Don't need to give too many IAS as well since it will be hard to maintain you mana with 7frame FA at high level

Chien

 

[phool]

Buriza is about the only weapon I could ever FA with and actually leech more or less all my FA costs back. Sadly it's not a particularly good weapon for FA.

 

[WrongdayJ]

. . .Treachery will help a great deal, this will also add another element to your attack when you strafe. Oops! I mentioned strafe again.:laugh: Well, you do need a way to leech back mana after your high level FA has sucked it dry.:evil: . . .

I totally agree with this. Poison and Cold are made for each other and, if using a Buriza, your firing rate would fall in-line perfectly with the .4 sec. of the Venom.

Simply build a Frostmaiden and give her Treachery- instant butt-kicker.

Treachery- It's not just for Strafers anymore!!!!:jig:

A Burrito isn't a good weapon for FA?! :shocked:
100% pierce and added cold damage and length to the splash(s). . .I am having trouble understanding this one. Before ICE came to town, it was THE weapon for a Frostmaiden.

 

[phool]

Buriza can get 11 fpa and a matriarchal can get 7. Razortail gives all the pierce you need, scs are the best source of extra freeze duration. No +skills, +% cold damage, -%cr... really isn't that great. Pretty nice to strafe back some mana but when you want to kill stuff with FA this shouldn't be your first choice.

 

[DH Amazon]

Has anyone tried to build FAzon around Windforce? Planning to do one, but not sure if its works. I have full mavina FAzon and does more than fine, just trying to do something different. I have full dex WF zon, but trying to find home for new WF.

Was thinking something like this:
Windforce (40ench 9min, just found this, need some place to put) 20 ias
Mavina diadem (ias jool+max) for 45ias, for a look and ias
Threachery for 45 ias
Highlords amu 20 ias
LoH gloves 20 ias / Lava Gout if more ar is needed for leech.

Gives together 150 ias, should give 8fpa attack.

Not much +skills from items, but charms, anni and torch should cover that.
Maybe arach+soj+raven if those charms are not enough.
Life leech is missing, but its luxury item for FAzon anyway. :smiley:
Razortail is 1st choice if not more +skills or more leech are needed.

Should give around lvl29 FA, damage 1750. With good mana leech and 8fpa spamming that should be enough. Haven't tried yet, any feedback what to change.

P.S. GTA bow at switch if mana leech is not enough.

 

[NASE]

Haven't tried yet, any feedback what to change.

yes, change the bow. I don't seen any reason what so ever to use wf on frostmaiden besides the fact that you will be über original.

And ge some nice 20/+2 bow skills. Much more usefull then lava gount and laying of hands.

P.S. what is a gta bow?

 

[Veilside]

If you mean harmony rather than melody, i'd say harmony out of the bows, it just has all the mods you could want, and will help against immunes.
If you mean melody, then I'd say go for the kuko, the damage might be lower, but the pierce will really help out.

 

[DH Amazon]

yes, change the bow. I don't seen any reason what so ever to use wf on frostmaiden besides the fact that you will be über original.

And ge some nice 20/+2 bow skills. Much more usefull then lava gount and laying of hands.

P.S. what is a gta bow?

Sorry, misspelled that one, should be CTA
Usually its BO flail, Call To Arms runeword. 40IAS +1Skills etc... prevent monster heal and those BOs. Need to make one, almost impossible to trade.
But damage is more than with ICE, I mean psysical part, but around same as Mavina and no mana leech there either inside bow. And quite cheap to make compared to ICE.

Killing speed were never problem with Frostmaidens when NO cold immunes were near, so getting more +skills don't help a lot. Mavina zon was with 120ias +cold facet in armor, but low leech there. And ICE bow do less damage than mavina against cold immunes.

I just though that WF should take care two problems that Frostmaiden usually have. Mana leech and cold immunes. Need to rethink for a while. But thx for answer.