What would you die for?

Galabab

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What would you die for?

Today during my daily train trip i thught about cowardness and what a selfish coward i actually am.
Im afraid of almost everything, though i dont show it to people and dont admit it.
Most of all im afraid to die. And then i though what in the earth would i die for?
Would i die to save my mother? My girlfriend? My whole family? My country?
Its painfull to admit to myself that probably i wouldnt give my life for anything.
I think i would shoot at people. And once i have time to justify my actions i would torture people.
Where would i stop?
Would i torture children? Massacre hundreds of innocent people?
At first thought i think hell no, there is a line which i wouldnt cross. But would i really not?
I hope there is enough courage in me to sacrifice my life but i fear there is not.
How do you feel?
 

trashX

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Re: What would you die for?

I don't think you can answer that question untill you're in a position in which you have to make such a decision
 

Dirty_Zulu

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Re: What would you die for?

I would shoot at people from a distance. I wouldn't shoot at people at close range. It's messy and I have to watch them gurgle in their own blood.

I would torture if it means saving lives. I would sexually torture someone if that's a turn on for them.
 

phool

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Re: What would you die for?

I'm pretty sure I'd die for a not-that-close friend, even. I don't feel threatened by my mortality. I'd probably play russian roulette for a couple million. If I was faced with the prospect of indefinite torture though I'd probably butcher babies left right and centre.
 

HegemonKhan

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Re: What would you die for?

i'm not afraid of death, but i am of dying, even if it's extremely short pain-suffering that only lasts a nanosecond (way less than a second).
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i thought about this for a bit and came to a new theory:

males have values, morals, or concepts important to them. more important than anything else. that's why males fight, are agressive, and are violent.

if u think, u fight for a reason. that reason is so important that you're willing to use force and violence, even at the risk of your own death (ultimate sacrifice). u fight for things or concepts u believe in which are values or morals.

what if males didn't have any values or morals, would we still be agressive, violent, and get into fights ?

if all notions of values and morals were removed, would there be any agression, violence, fighting, and wars ?

for example, if americans (the U.S.) didn't believe in freedom, liberty, and human rights would we be in the middle east "trying to help" them ?

OR

for example, if americans (the U.S.) didn't care about their own selves and their own interests (selfishness is also a value and moral. "the right to live or preservation"), would we be in the middle east for oil ?
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as to how i would act or behave,

**this is all speculation, since i'm not actually confronted by being in the situation and have no idea how i would really act or behave. as trashx posted so astutely**

if i was a cop, i'd NEVER touch/use a gun. i'd never kill or harm anyone. this is because (to me) a cop is suppose to protect the people. NOT protect himself and definately not to destroy the people they are suppose to protect.

as a soldier, i'd be a 100% obediant. even if it was hitler, and he said to kill 5 million jews, i'd do it. to me, a soldier's job is to kill so that the war is won. your superiors probably know whats needed more than u do. that's why u obey them unconditionally. your job as a soldier is to do as u are told. to kill who u are told to kill. you're a soldier and your job is to kill your way to victory in a war. it's war and you're a soldier.

even if you're found guilty of genocide and war atrocities, i'd still obey and do what i'm told. even if it's as wrong as the holocaust. do what u want to me afterwards, but as a soldier it's my job to kill who my superiors tell me to, even if it's a war crime or atrocity. as a soldier my duty is to our victory, it's a soldier's job to obey and kill, not to think and challenge your superiors' decisions, resulting in defeat in war and having all the people you were fighting or soldiering for in your country die to the enemy that won the war against u.

i know that the holocaust was/is dead wrong, but as a soldier, it's my understanding that u are to obey. as a soldier, your job is to kill and die yourself, so that the rest of the people of your country are to live.

this does NOT excuss u, of course.

but what's the difference: u die from/in war or u die afterwards, from having being convicted of war crimes or atrocities and sentenced to death.

as a soldier, u give give your life in the battlefield or commit atrocities and give your life to the death sentence issued on u afterwards, without hesitation, since it protects and keeps my country and people and the ones i love safe. in fact, that's the purpose and job of a soldier. to sacrifice yourself and to kill the enemy so that your poeple, your country, and the ones u love stay safe and protected.

as a soldier, you are sacrificing your life and/or your humanity, having to murder people or doing other crimes and wrongs, so that the rest of your country and its/your people are saved and protected.

war is mass murder. a soldier is a murderer. a professional murderer. war and soldiers and superiors are crimes and criminals. the only reason, soldiers and superiors and war are NOT punished (unless they violate the "rules" of war and commit a "war crime") is because it has come down to "u" or "them". do u and your country/people die or do they and those people/country die. that's war and that's why it's (war's) not considered a crime. it's "u" or "them". it's "your country" or "their country". it's "your people" or "their people".
 
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CyberHawk

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Re: What would you die for?

I would gladly die/or kill for my family of course, even the dog. I'm not afraid of death, more afraid of how it will affect my family than anything. Death is not the end, just a chapter. We all got it coming, no since being afraid of it. Just take it standing up, and not on your knees.
 

Yaboosh

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Re: What would you die for?

I always found it funny, the idea of dying for someone you love.

If you ask me, I would risk my life to save my family. If you ask my family, they would probably say they would risk their lives to save me and the other members of our family. Doesn't this strike anyone as a bit odd? So is the person that dies simply the person that is not put in the situation of danger first?

I guess you could do a little Harry Stamper Armageddon action and rebuff a person's attempt to give their life to save yours because you believe that their life has more value than yours, or out of some irrational sense of heroism, but it still seems weird.
 

HegemonKhan

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Re: What would you die for?

it is a bit weird, but,

it's simply a values issue:

are they (or their life) more important than u (or your life) ?

who is more important? u or them/they/she/he ?
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the thing that i have the hardest time understanding:

in trying to rescue a few, even more end up losing their lives than if u jsut let the few die.

i don't understand this, unless the few in danger, are more important than u and/or the others trying to save the few.

values (humanity-selfishness. saving your wife/husband/girl/guy or child over 100 people. the spiderman1 movie scene. though spiderman cheated and was able to save both, not having to decide which) vs numbers. i guess
 

BobCox2

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Re: What would you die for?

I define love as the point of emotional connection which leads to the happiness of another being essential to one's own well being.

A attack on them is a attack on me.

That said I would not die for them if my death only meant they would die of the same cause a bit later, it would have to substantially eliminate the threat to the life of those I love.
 

HegemonKhan

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Re: What would you die for?

don't forget sleep.... sleep is jsut as important as air, water, and food.

sleep may even be more important than food. i'm not sure how soon u'd die, but it can seriously mess u up. the record is going 100 days no sleep (but he had to be kept awake and alive by an army of docters). he than died 3 days later. i'm not sure what happens after 3 days of no sleep (if you don't-couldn't fall asleep) for normal/avg people without the medical preservation of an army of docters.

air (2-3 mins) > water (3 days in a desert) > sleep (?) > food (~ 1 week)

or

air (2-3 mins) > water (3 days in a desert) > food (~ 1 week) > sleep (?)
 

s4nder

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Re: What would you die for?

I'd die for lack of air, water, and food. In that order.
That's what you'd die of, not for, heh.

I also think sleep deprivation is a more dangerous and horrible killer than hunger. At least when you're hungry you can sleep and forget about it for a while.

I read an article by someone who stayed awake for 107 hours and reported all the symptoms and experiences, etc. He decided to quit when the hallucinations became too much and it was nearly impossible to stay awake using just willpower and coffee. I recently went to a LAN party with some friends and even one missed night is a horrible experience. I'd instantly break if I were ever captured and threatened with sleep deprivation.



 

MinusDII

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Re: What would you die for?

I'd die for my family, thats about it.

I thought the world record for staying awake was 11 days (264 hours) held by Randy Gardner. 100 days sounds impossible, maybe with microsleeps but thats still sleeping.

Also I think you could live far longer than 1 week without food, I would say 3-4 weeks.
 
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Johnny

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Re: What would you die for?

don't forget sleep.... sleep is jsut as important as air, water, and food.

sleep may even be more important than food. i'm not sure how soon u'd die, but it can seriously mess u up. the record is going 100 days no sleep (but he had to be kept awake and alive by an army of docters). he than died 3 days later. i'm not sure what happens after 3 days of no sleep (if you don't-couldn't fall asleep) for normal/avg people without the medical preservation of an army of docters.

air (2-3 mins) > water (3 days in a desert) > sleep (?) > food (~ 1 week)

or

air (2-3 mins) > water (3 days in a desert) > food (~ 1 week) > sleep (?)
Isn't the world record for staying awake about 11 days or so?

Even then the record holders will by then have spent countless hours in micro sleep. Sleep deprivation is fatal at around two to two and half weeks.



 

Spinns

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Re: What would you die for?

I'd die for lack of air, water, and food. In that order.
you would die of carbon dioxide poisoning before oxygen starvation

I'd die for my family and friends in a heart beat I'd even give my life for a child I didn't know
 

KremBanan

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Re: What would you die for?

Apart from my kids, I wouldnt give my life for anybody. I rate myself as better than everybody and only my kids can be better than me.
 

HegemonKhan

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Re: What would you die for?

this person was kept awake and alive by docters.

they had to use artifical means with an army of docters to keep him from sleeping (including micro sleep) and also to keep him alive.

he became literally inhuman. almost like a zombie in the movies. his behavior and personality completely flipped. went from a nice kind person to like a psychopath.

3 days after he broke the record (after 100 days no sleep), he died.

it was a tv educational show i saw. it was authentic and creditable and trustworthy. i wish i had taped it. cuz it's been a long time since whenever i saw it and i'm jsut going by a bad memory.
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if you're interested i'll share my own personal experience:

i once went 72 hours (3 full days. day and night. 3 of them) no sleep. it was the freakiest thing ever. as soon as i laid my head down, i was instantly out cold and asleep. it was like some one shot and killed me on the spot. i never fallen asleep so fast in my life. instantaneous. awake -> head laid down -> asleep. awake than asleep. it was freaky.
 

Galabab

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Re: What would you die for?

hehe people it seems like you are more interested in speaking about death causes than the moral side of my question.
There is however something more important than air. You can survive at least 30sek without air but you die in a few seconds without the pressure! We need that pressure that is common on earth or we just explode! If you throw somebody into vacuum he wont suffocate he will much faster explode or at least his blood will boil (due to lack of pressure) and burst out of everywhere it can.

But the question was what you would die FOR not OF as s4nder mentioned...

So far you guys seem to be ready to die at least for your families.
But are you sure?
KremBanan you said you would die for your kids only. That is interesting as i wonder whether I would die for my kids when i have some.
You think the love for your children is greater than anything else? It would make sense evolution wise.
 

Halifax Donair

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Re: What would you die for?

i'd probably die for my sister. instinct might get me killed for my parents but that is harder to determine and not likely due to distance.

i wouldn't die for lines on a map or politicians, unless it somehow interferes with my family.

i'm stubborn, so i could die for something trival like my possessions, but once again it also increases in likeliness with the proximity to my sister.
 
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