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What makes a good Fool's claw?

Discussion in 'Assassin' started by FrostBurn, Sep 24, 2006.

  1. FrostBurn

    FrostBurn IncGamers Member

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    What makes a good Fool's claw?

    Hello. I have an admission to make... I don't know much about Fool's claws and what builds are good with them. I've been keeping an eye out for them. I have a magic Fool's katar, and these two rares that I just found:

    Raven Fist
    Claws
    One-Hand Damage: 8 to 15
    Durability: 46 of 64
    (Assassin Only)
    Required Dexterity: 46
    Required Strength: 46
    Required Level: 43
    Claw Class - Very Fast Attack Speed
    Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
    Item Level: 87
    Fingerprint: 0xbd2acea4
    9% Life stolen per hit
    +1 to Assassin Skill Levels
    30% Increased Attack Speed

    +0 to Maximum Damage (Based on Character Level)
    +16 to Attack Rating (Based on Character Level)
    Socketed (2: 0 used)

    Havoc Claw
    Claws
    One-Hand Damage: 8 to 15
    Durability: 60 of 64
    (Assassin Only)
    Required Dexterity: 46
    Required Strength: 46
    Required Level: 37
    Claw Class - Fast Attack Speed
    Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
    Item Level: 87
    Fingerprint: 0xa6001f7a
    +62 to Attack Rating
    Adds 2-10 fire damage
    Adds 1-2 cold damage over 2 seconds
    10% Increased Attack Speed
    +0 to Maximum Damage (Based on Character Level)
    +16 to Attack Rating (Based on Character Level)

    I could upgrade them to greater claws for a WSM of -20, but I understand that the best are greater talons at WSM of -30? If these claws are used as off-claws, then I'm pretty sure that the IAS on them is useless. I guess what I'm asking is:

    1. What builds are good for Fool's claws? I have no idea. If you can suggest some, I can then go read the guides.

    2. Must Fool's claws have a WSM of -30 in order to reach the last breakpoint of whatever attack that build is using? Or can these rare claws above, when upgraded for WSM of -20, be good as well?

    3. Are Fool's claws ever used as the main-claw? If yes, then IAS on them will help.

    Thanks.
     
  2. Von Lazuli

    Von Lazuli IncGamers Member

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    That first claw is awesome, the second one... much more useless.

    Anyway, onto questions:

    1. Fool's modded claws are used almost exclusively on WW sins, who need attack rating to hit todays high defence duelists.

    2. No. They do not need to be of that much speed. WSM of -20 is almost as good, and only requires a tiny bit more IAS to reach the final breakpoints for Trap Laying and Kicking. Virtually every claw with a WSM of 0 or better can hit the last WW breakpoint with as little as 15 IAS. (Assuming I recall correctly, check the IAS Charts in the sticky)

    3. Fool's claws are always used as the main claw, simply because otherwise the advantage of the attack rating is made moot.

    Things to looks for on Fool's Claws (In order of Priority)
    Fool's mod
    (For a Trapper Hybrid) Skills
    IAS
    Damage
    Extra Socket
    (For a non-Hybrid) Skills
    Attack Rating

    Laz
     
  3. FrostBurn

    FrostBurn IncGamers Member

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    Thanks for the reply and things to look out for on Fool's claws, Laz. I may build a WW-sin one day, but I'm rather far off it I think. I've still got a trapper that I'd like to do first (I found for her two very evil claws to use). I also do not PvP, so the AR bonus may not be as important, although still good for the boost for PvM.

    Just found another Fool's claw:
    Doom Razor
    Claws
    One-Hand Damage: 8 to 24
    Durability: 186 of 192
    (Assassin Only)
    Required Dexterity: 46
    Required Strength: 46
    Required Level: 38
    Claw Class - Fastest Attack Speed
    Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
    Item Level: 86
    Fingerprint: 0xed637f14
    +9 to Maximum Damage
    40% Increased Attack Speed
    79% Damage to Demons
    +137 to Attack Rating against Demons
    +0 to Maximum Damage (Based on Character Level)
    +16 to Attack Rating (Based on Character Level)

    Not as good as the other claw with 2 os and + skill.
     
  4. aman

    aman Assassin Moderator

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    I don't want to brag but i have a fools claw that i think is good for a trap/ww hybrid

    (Don't have exact stats)

    2 assassin skills
    1 Light sentry
    Fools mod
    40 ias
     
  5. lld-palwolf

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    ^ Could I purchase that from u if ur on uswest..
     
  6. Slaughterstubbs

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    so is this a good claw? (with the exception of the fact it needs upped twice.)

    [​IMG]
     
  7. Von Lazuli

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    I would not put that down as a good claw, but I would say it acceptable... at least until you can find another one with damage or skills.

    Laz
     
  8. Fiilth

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    yo i just found my self a fools mod claw and decided to up it so i cna use it against barbs. The thing is im not getting any ar bonuses on my ww. My regular attack get sthe bonus but ww stays at 4k unless i use angelics then its 8.7 k. Ive tryed in both hands and still nothing.
    The mods are similar to Slaughterstubbs claws. Cept i have 2 to skill and 27 to ar and no max dmg. What am i doing wrong?
     
  9. HappyAssassin

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    If there's no max damage on it it's not a Fools, the Fools mod is + Maximum damage based on level and + AR based on level.

    It should be your primary hand claw, and the AR bonus should show up just fine.
     
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    I found out what i did wrong. you cant str bug it or have the exact ammount of points needed. Or else it wont show up at least for me. I used a tgods and i got the bonus go figure.
     
  11. hclthoj

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    I just recently found a fool's and wanted to get peoples opinion on it. Stats are based on my level 87 nec.

    [​IMG]

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    i think its a very nice claw being eth with a repair mod. nice find
     
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    Hey thanks. Will it be possible to have a sticky detailing fool's claws in general and have users post pics of their own fool's claws they have found?
     
  14. GruffTuff

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    Today I found a this claw, maybe useful with infinity merc?
    Hatched hands (Level 66)
    Fool's mod
    30% inrcreased atack speed
    1-438 Lightning damage
    5 mana after each kill
     

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