What is Mozilla or Opera?

AeroJonesy

AeroJonesy

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Durf, do you think it's worth a change from Mozilla to Firefox if all I use Mozilla for is browsing? Or is it too much hassle?
 
DurfBarian

DurfBarian

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Try it out. It will definitely have a smaller memory footprint, and I haven't noticed any problems surfing with FireFox that wouldn't exist with Mozilla too. I think in the long run the developers will be focusing more on the broken-out clients: FireFox for the WWW, Thunderbird for mail, Chatzilla, and so on.
 
AeroJonesy

AeroJonesy

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Here's my more techincal question, if I install Firefox, will I keep my saved passwords and stuff, or will I have to dig them up and find them all again and enter them anew?
 
DurfBarian

DurfBarian

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Not sure about the Windows install, but on OS X I have separate folders for my cache and bookmarks and settings (Phoenix was the old name for FireFox):

/Users/durf/Library/Mozilla/
/Users/durf/Library/Phoenix/

You should be able to copy the contents of the Moz folder into a new one if it's created, but I suspect that FireFox is smart enough to look for a Moz install on the drive and use its settings if possible.
 
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Savage

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I use FireFox after realising that I had no use for Mozilla's extra features and I absolutely love it. It's stable, it uses very little system resources and with so many browser extensions available it's almost 100% customisable. I use two extensions, one for extra options with tabs and one for mouse gestures.

I keep IE on hand incase on incompatibilites but I haven't had any problems with any website so far.
 
Broncobiv2

Broncobiv2

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AeroJonesy said:
That's what I do. I just go to the main page and open all the threads I want to read in new tabs. That way they can all load while I read. If I want to reply, I just refresh and see if there were any new posts.
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I am not defending IE, because I use Mozilla Firefox right now (as I have for the past couple months). But as far at the tab feature goes, I don't find it particularly useful. Maybe that's because I'm just used to IE. Whenever I want to click on a new link, but keep the old window active, I just open the link in it's own new window. Right click on the link, and then N for IE users, or right click on the link and W for Firefox users. That's because I'm so used to ALT-TAB to switch between windows (like any window in Windows). It is so much faster for me to ALT-TAB between Internet windows than to use the mouse and click on the little tab in Firefox.

So if you want to open the threads you want to read seperately, I'd just open them into new windows. Then they can all load on their own, as you read the first one. And you can "refresh" each one as you wish. But that's just my preference, because I find ALT-TAB so much faster than using the mouse.
 
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Bathmat

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Broncobiv2 said:
...Right click on the link, and then N for IE users, or right click on the link and W for Firefox users...
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I don't see why you wouldn't use shift + click (new window, also the shortcut for IE) or ctrl + click (new tab), other than using a gesture or designated mouse button.

Broncobiv2 said:
That's because I'm so used to ALT-TAB to switch between windows (like any window in Windows). It is so much faster for me to ALT-TAB between Internet windows than to use the mouse and click on the little tab in Firefox.
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The keyboard shortcut to switch between tabs is CTRL-TAB, likewise the shortcut to close a tab is CTRL-F4.

Broncobiv2 said:
So if you want to open the threads you want to read seperately, I'd just open them into new windows. Then they can all load on their own, as you read the first one. And you can "refresh" each one as you wish.
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Ditto, but I'd open them in new tabs. 'Then they can all load on their own, as you read the first one. And you can "refresh" each one as you wish. ' - The same applies for tabs.

Broncobiv2 said:
But that's just my preference, because I find ALT-TAB so much faster than using the mouse.
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I find gestures much faster, but CTRL-TAB works just as well.

... No more stupid excuses for you, convert to the way of the tabbed browsing you heathen! :p. (How you could have not know about these while using Firefox for months is beyond me.)

I use both Firefox and Opera, I think I'd die without my gestures. (The gesture for switching between tabs is usually whatever mouse button + up then left or right depending on the direction to switch to.) For single functions, I find mouse gestures to be much, much faster than keyboard shortcuts. What's really annoying is if I'm on someone else's computer that doesn't have anything and have to use IE. It's tough to remember to alt + f4 rather than trying to close the window with a gesture.

Bonus points to both Opera and Firefox for being Linux compatible. Firefox wins more bonus points for the fact that you can get pretty much anything you could possible want from it from extensions. Default imported IE favourites is nice too. Although Opera's ability to remember where you last were is nice so you don't have to manually open all the pages you want to again. I think I slightly prefer Firefox.
 
jmervyn

jmervyn

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masterazn said:
Mozilla > everything else > IE
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Now, now, let's not get any flame wars going :uhhuh: I've heard better things about Firefox or whatever the browser-only program is, but browsers are plentiful. I see no reason to be shackled to the piece of filth that is packaged with Windoze. And I certainly don't expect to see M$FT produce a decent piece of software themselves - evar (Project and Visio are both 3rd-party products assimilated by Billy the Borg).

But broncobiv wondered why people like tabbed browsing. I'm not a computer guru, but I play one at work - why would one want to chew up a bunch of computer resources opening multiple browser sessions, when one can open a single session and view multiple pages? If one wanted to have multiple windows, there's no difficulty in doing so.
 
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Savage

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Exactly. Tabs are simply mutliple windows existing within one browser. As such they take up far less resources than having mutliple browsers. Besides, I prefer having 20+ pages contained within FireFox than an extra 20 thingies in my status bar thingy.

Also, I use middle click to open a link in a new tab, and have mouse gestures for creating/closing tabs, going backwards and forwards and switching between tabs. It's just that much faster and more efficient not having to reach for my keyboard all the time or reach up with my mouse to click on individual buttons.
 
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Silvermyst

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I've tried FireFox, and Opera, and I prefer Opera. It seems to take up less RAM (even though it's installed with more features then firefox), it looks prettier, and organizing favorites just works soo much better.

Pair this up with tabbed browsing and mouse gestures and there's only 1 reason to ever use IE, which is in rare-incompatibility situations.
 
Broncobiv2

Broncobiv2

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Bathmat said:
I don't see why you wouldn't use shift + click (new window, also the shortcut for IE) or ctrl + click (new tab), other than using a gesture or designated mouse button.

The keyboard shortcut to switch between tabs is CTRL-TAB, likewise the shortcut to close a tab is CTRL-F4.

I find gestures much faster, but CTRL-TAB works just as well.

I use both Firefox and Opera, I think I'd die without my gestures. (The gesture for switching between tabs is usually whatever mouse button + up then left or right depending on the direction to switch to.) For single functions, I find mouse gestures to be much, much faster than keyboard shortcuts. What's really annoying is if I'm on someone else's computer that doesn't have anything and have to use IE. It's tough to remember to alt + f4 rather than trying to close the window with a gesture.
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Ooh, I just tried this fancy new CTRL-click and CTRL-TAB in Firefox. Very handy! I might just be able to get used to this tab browsing thing afterall!

But I don't understand what these "gestures" you're talking about are. Are they some sort of special feature with Firefox? I guess I didn't take the tutorial. :cheesy:
 
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Silvermyst

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Mouse gestures are just that, they're a quick shortcut you can perform by holding down a mouse button, then moving the mouse in a certain direction.

eg. to go "back" (in opera 7) you can click and hold the right mouse button, slide the mouse to the left, then release the button. Going "forward" is the same thing, but moving the mouse to the right instead.

the gestures range from simple navigation shortcuts, to opening new windows, opening windows in a new background tab, closing them, scrolling through open tabs, refreshing the page, etc.
 
jmervyn

jmervyn

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To each their own

Silvermyst said:
Mouse gestures are just that, they're a quick shortcut you can perform by holding down a mouse button, then moving the mouse in a certain direction.
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I haven't tried gestures in Opera, but I remember having to use them playing Black & White. God forbid that I have to use gestures to get work done...
But on a more positive note, these options "beyond" IE open new vistas of capability to users. I saw the example for a Mac browser replacement allowing voice control of the interface, and considered what a great option that could be for the handicapped that I support.
 
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