What do 3/20/20's give u?

IHATENAMES

Diabloii.Net Member
What do 3/20/20's give u?

I haven't played Diablo 2 for a long time so can any1 tell me the bonuses that those 3/20/20's charms give u?
 

distancepieman

Diabloii.Net Member
IHATENAMES said:
I haven't played Diablo 2 for a long time so can any1 tell me the bonuses that those 3/20/20's charms give u?
At least 75% chance that these charms are duped.
50% increase in the chance of these charms disappearing.
0% chance you will be able to trade for one through the trade forums.

These are known dupes that aren't allowed to be traded here (just so you know.) The charm you speak of is the Fine Small Charm of Vita. It gives 3 to max damage, 20 to attack rating, and 20 to life. Your safest bet is finding ones with stats slightly off perfect 3/1x/1x. You can safely trade those here for quite a bit.

~Bails
 

RetroStar

Diabloii.Net Member
I think probably 99% of them are duped.

Anyway they give the following stats on a small charm.

+3Max Dmg
+20Attack Rating
+20Life

so also known as 3/20/20
 

distancepieman

Diabloii.Net Member
IHATENAMES said:
are 3/20/20's better or 290's?
Well, they're both equally risky to use. I don't trade with them so I couldn't tell you prices, but I'd guess it depends on what you're doing. If you're dueling, I'd go with the 3/20/20 for the life and ar boost. But really, it would take a lot of the to make a difference. 290 poison damage from one small charm is a pretty big thing, however I wouldn't try to fill up on such an expensive thing that is likely to disappear on you sooner or later.

Either way, I know it isn't specifically in the rules, but any discussions about how to use dupes are generally disapproved of by the mods, so I'm bowing out of this thread now.

~Bails
 

Halciet

Diabloii.Net Member
The odds of you finding one are incredibly, incredibly low. I have been playing since the game came out, and the closest I have ever found is one 3/18/14 charm.

-Hal
 

Throttle

Diabloii.Net Member
Yeah, they are incredibly rare. But if you want to go charm-hunting, your best bet is hell cows with as many players as possible, and wear those unique rondels on switch to use find items on the dead cows.
 

luis19

Diabloii.Net Member
what part of, "its not against the rules" do you all not get.

32020s> 290s
psn dmg sounds good but without the 20life mod you will have very low life as well as low AR and physical dmg.
also ppl will prolly nk you for stacking so much psn dmg.

290s are pretty much worthless on USeast, like what 4-6 per 32020--and 32020s arent worth much to begin with.

yes theres a chance for both to poof, 32020s have a much higher chance on east, but they arent worth that much to begin with. btw, im not rich.

the odds of finding 32020s and 290s probably arent that far off from say finding a high rune that all these antidupers use to make runewords, yet still complain about 32020s.
hal has been playing for a long time and apparently hasnt found one, i've played for a year and a half and found a few (like 3-4).

the idea to not use 32020s because they poof, and as a result you lose "alot", is pretty ironical. why? "legit" versions of 32020s costs a good amount more.
 

wookie919

Diabloii.Net Member
46 possible prefixes on a small charm.
26 possible suffixes on a small charm.

Chance of a small charm getting Fine of Vita = 1/46 * 1/26.

Fine: +10-20 To Attack Rating, +1-3 To Maximum Damage
Vita: +16-20 Life

Chance of perfect "Fine" = 1/11 * 1/3
Chance of perfect "Vita" = 1/5

Chance of a small charm getting perfect fine of vita:
1/46 * 1/26 * 1/11 * 1/3 * 1/5 = 1/197340


Chance of a rune being ZOD > Chance of a small charm being perfect Fine of Vita. (Unless I got these facts from the wrong source.)

Cubing, Forge Quest and Countess all favor chances of getting higher runes over chances of getting a fine small charm of vita

Just stating some facts, not implying anything.

Cheers.
 

luis19

Diabloii.Net Member
yeah its prolly higher chance to find a zod, but still hard to find either.
i have found 0 zods, but a few 32020s.

but i cant believe ppl stll bring this up about "legit" and "not legit" crap.
really, if you dont like em then please just be quiet. instead of giving informative info, people just complain about dupes instead. tisk tisk, and ironically these same people have enigmas, botds, use perf facets, sojs, and countless other dupes.
hypocrites.
 

wookie919

Diabloii.Net Member
wookie919 said:
46 possible prefixes on a small charm.
26 possible suffixes on a small charm.

Chance of a small charm getting Fine of Vita = 1/46 * 1/26.

Fine: +10-20 To Attack Rating, +1-3 To Maximum Damage
Vita: +16-20 Life

Chance of perfect "Fine" = 1/11 * 1/3
Chance of perfect "Vita" = 1/5

Chance of a small charm getting perfect fine of vita:
1/46 * 1/26 * 1/11 * 1/3 * 1/5 = 1/197340


Chance of a rune being ZOD > Chance of a small charm being perfect Fine of Vita. (Unless I got these facts from the wrong source.)

Cubing, Forge Quest and Countess all favor chances of getting higher runes over chances of getting a fine small charm of vita

Just stating some facts, not implying anything.

Cheers.

Oops, got my maths wrong because there are chances that a charm will only have a prefix and no suffix as well as no prefix and only suffix.

Ah well.

Man I just wish there were ways to tell whether something was a dupe or not other than just waiting for them to poof. Better yet, a dupe free b.net! (Yeah right...)
 

luis19

Diabloii.Net Member
alot of dupes dont poof btw. if they all did, we wouldnt have full inventories of 32020s or all the runewords. bugged items wouldnt exist and neither would many of the perfect/high items (i.e. 40 life skillers).
 

Neurofuzzy

Diabloii.Net Member
The original question in the thread remains unanswered, at least as I interpreted it: is it worthy to have an inventory full will 32020 (or similar)? How much more damage, AR and life would a fully developed barb get from it (after cries and assuming he wears top equipment and is, lets say, at lvl 90)? Or would other charms bring more advantages, considering the huge cost of 32020 (or 31917 or whatever)?
 

HandofElysium

Diabloii.Net Member
Neurofuzzy said:
The original question in the thread remains unanswered, at least as I interpreted it: is it worthy to have an inventory full will 32020 (or similar)? How much more damage, AR and life would a fully developed barb get from it (after cries and assuming he wears top equipment and is, lets say, at lvl 90)? Or would other charms bring more advantages, considering the huge cost of 32020 (or 31917 or whatever)?
I can't give you exact numbers but from what I have seen on EAST ladder barbs are very weak and very few duel with them. The 3/20/20 is critical for a decent barb build and it's obvious if you play ladder. I always here barb complain about 3/20/20 not being avaiable and subsitute with poison charms.

I am currently building a pvp BvA on ladder for a challange to myself since there are very few dueling barbs on ladder. Although it wouldn't suprise me if blizzard resets ladder the next day. :p
 

morotsjos

Banned
HandofElysium said:
I always here barb complain about 3/20/20 not being avaiable and subsitute with poison charms.
Thats because they're morons. As luis said poison is utterly worthless.
Good duelers will simply negate it, bad duelers will cry and nk. It's a lose/lose situation.
If you cant afford 3/xx/15+ scs I recommend plain 20 life scs or even better; ar/life scs. Since grief is availabe you will still do good damage.
 

Sh4dovv

Banned
luis19 said:
290s are pretty much worthless on USeast, like what 4-6 per 32020--and 32020s arent worth much to begin with.
wow rly?

on west 290 = 3/20/20 = hi rune

makes it easy when everything is equal value :)
 
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