What can I do to improve my Bowazons damage?
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Re: What can I do to improve my Bowazons damage?
OK, let's break 'em all down. I've included the full stats of the 3 ammys in question below. First let's compare Cat's Eye and Highlord's, since it is mush easier to do (no CTC or IAS issues). First, we will look at how each benefits damage, then we will look at the other effects. We'll assume a level 90 Zon with 400-500 dex and either very low or very high Critical Strike.
**********Cat's Eye vs. HL's**********
Cat's Eye adds 5 to 6% damage based on the dex increase and another 1% to 2% for increased chance to hit (total 6-8%).
Highlord's adds 33.75% DS, but it's benefit depends on the Zon's CS%. I'll use 50% CS as the low-end and 70% CS as the high-end. On a low CS Zon Highlord's adds about 17% and on a high CS Zon it adds about 10% (+ a tiny bit of lightning damage).
Clearly, Highlord's wins the damage contest, but is it better? Without getting too deep into the details, I will just say that IMO 30% FRW is of far greater value than the remaining mods on the HL ammy.
My Verdict: For a high level, high CS Zon it's a close call that would make the option a matter of personal preference. For a high level, low CS build, the HL's wins easily. At lower levels (less dex and less DS) the Cat's Eye pulls ahead.
**********Atma's vs. HL's/Cat's Eye**********
From the above comparison we learned that the HL's an Cat's Eye ammys are fairly comparable, so I'll just use HL's here since it is a little easier to compare. Things now get complicated. Skills and other gear are now a major factor and with CTC amp damage, things get a little fuzzy. For this comparison, we will assume a pure strafer with high CS using typical attack rates of 7/2 when using HL's and 8/2 when using Atma's (assumes use of Faith GMB). I'll also use a DR factor of 50% as an average for Hell. The biggest factor remaining is how often we assume our target(s) have amp damage triggered. Unfortunately, other than vs. bosses where it will be nearly 100%, the perentage gets affected by everything for hit points to pierce % to PI to how spread out they are. I'm going to use 1/3 as the factor here for Strafing even though it's generally higher than that when you need it most. So, now for the math:
Highlord's:
Damage Adjustment = 10%+ (from above)
Atma's:
Frame penalty 8/2 vs. 7/2 = 26/27 = .963
Amp factor = 1 + (2 * 1/3) = 1.667
Damage adjustment = 1.667 * .963 = 1.605 = 60%+
My verdict: Atma's > All for PvM strafing. With other attacks (multi, guided, etc.) the likelihood that your target is amped goes down and the frame penalty goes up. If you are not using strafe as your primary attack, you will be better served to put a Reaper's on your merc and use Cat's Eye or Highlord's.
Cat's Eye Amulet
Required Level: 50
+30% Faster Run/Walk
+20% Increased Attack Speed
+100 Defense Vs. Missile
+100 Defense
+25 To Dexterity
Highlord's Wrath Amulet
Required Level: 65
+1 To All Skills
+20% Increased Attack Speed
+ (0.375 Per Character Level) 0-37 % Deadly Strike (Based On Character Level)
Lightning Resist +35%
Adds 1-30 Lightning Damage
Attacker Takes Lightning Damage Of 15
Atma's Scarab Amulet
Required Level: 60
5% Chance To Cast Level 2 Amplify Damage On Striking
20% Bonus To Attack Rating
+40 Poison Damage over 4 seconds
Poison Resist +75%
+3 To Light Radius
Attacker Takes Damage of 5
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OK, let's break 'em all down. I've included the full stats of the 3 ammys in question below. First let's compare Cat's Eye and Highlord's, since it is mush easier to do (no CTC or IAS issues). First, we will look at how each benefits damage, then we will look at the other effects. We'll assume a level 90 Zon with 400-500 dex and either very low or very high Critical Strike.
**********Cat's Eye vs. HL's**********
Cat's Eye adds 5 to 6% damage based on the dex increase and another 1% to 2% for increased chance to hit (total 6-8%).
Highlord's adds 33.75% DS, but it's benefit depends on the Zon's CS%. I'll use 50% CS as the low-end and 70% CS as the high-end. On a low CS Zon Highlord's adds about 17% and on a high CS Zon it adds about 10% (+ a tiny bit of lightning damage).
Clearly, Highlord's wins the damage contest, but is it better? Without getting too deep into the details, I will just say that IMO 30% FRW is of far greater value than the remaining mods on the HL ammy.
My Verdict: For a high level, high CS Zon it's a close call that would make the option a matter of personal preference. For a high level, low CS build, the HL's wins easily. At lower levels (less dex and less DS) the Cat's Eye pulls ahead.
**********Atma's vs. HL's/Cat's Eye**********
From the above comparison we learned that the HL's an Cat's Eye ammys are fairly comparable, so I'll just use HL's here since it is a little easier to compare. Things now get complicated. Skills and other gear are now a major factor and with CTC amp damage, things get a little fuzzy. For this comparison, we will assume a pure strafer with high CS using typical attack rates of 7/2 when using HL's and 8/2 when using Atma's (assumes use of Faith GMB). I'll also use a DR factor of 50% as an average for Hell. The biggest factor remaining is how often we assume our target(s) have amp damage triggered. Unfortunately, other than vs. bosses where it will be nearly 100%, the perentage gets affected by everything for hit points to pierce % to PI to how spread out they are. I'm going to use 1/3 as the factor here for Strafing even though it's generally higher than that when you need it most. So, now for the math:
Highlord's:
Damage Adjustment = 10%+ (from above)
Atma's:
Frame penalty 8/2 vs. 7/2 = 26/27 = .963
Amp factor = 1 + (2 * 1/3) = 1.667
Damage adjustment = 1.667 * .963 = 1.605 = 60%+
My verdict: Atma's > All for PvM strafing. With other attacks (multi, guided, etc.) the likelihood that your target is amped goes down and the frame penalty goes up. If you are not using strafe as your primary attack, you will be better served to put a Reaper's on your merc and use Cat's Eye or Highlord's.
Cat's Eye Amulet
Required Level: 50
+30% Faster Run/Walk
+20% Increased Attack Speed
+100 Defense Vs. Missile
+100 Defense
+25 To Dexterity
Highlord's Wrath Amulet
Required Level: 65
+1 To All Skills
+20% Increased Attack Speed
+ (0.375 Per Character Level) 0-37 % Deadly Strike (Based On Character Level)
Lightning Resist +35%
Adds 1-30 Lightning Damage
Attacker Takes Lightning Damage Of 15
Atma's Scarab Amulet
Required Level: 60
5% Chance To Cast Level 2 Amplify Damage On Striking
20% Bonus To Attack Rating
+40 Poison Damage over 4 seconds
Poison Resist +75%
+3 To Light Radius
Attacker Takes Damage of 5
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crawlingdeadman
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Re: What can I do to improve my Bowazons damage?
i quit reading after you said cat's eye adds 5-6% damage. last i checked 25 dex = 25% damage. i could only assume that the rest of your 'logic' was flawed and quit reading.
i quit reading after you said cat's eye adds 5-6% damage. last i checked 25 dex = 25% damage. i could only assume that the rest of your 'logic' was flawed and quit reading.
crawlingdeadman
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Re: What can I do to improve my Bowazons damage?
ah, crap i read it wrong. it's 25% more ed which may indeed be a 5-6% increase in damage, but that's a bit hard to say something like that blindly without knowing how much actual damage is being done. 25% more ed to one character may be more of an increase in overall damage to one character, but less to another.
i look at that 5% amp and see it as being useless 95% of the time. it's not exactly that easy either because it's also useless after amp has gone off.
ah, crap i read it wrong. it's 25% more ed which may indeed be a 5-6% increase in damage, but that's a bit hard to say something like that blindly without knowing how much actual damage is being done. 25% more ed to one character may be more of an increase in overall damage to one character, but less to another.
i look at that 5% amp and see it as being useless 95% of the time. it's not exactly that easy either because it's also useless after amp has gone off.
Re: What can I do to improve my Bowazons damage?
Actually my math was wrong, because the effect is even smaller than 5-6% since I didn't factor in all the other ED sources (Faith, Fort, Merc). Therefore it's even less...about 2-3%. It doesn't skew my thinking regarding Atma's, but it does favor HL in the comparison vs. Cat's Eye. I guess I should have clarified how I arrived at my original number; I probably would have realized my mistake sooner. Ah well.
CDM: Yes, the 5% is misleading, because it's not the chance of doing triple damge, but rather the chance of cursing one or more enemies so that they begin receiving triple damage. On a boss this basically means once it pops it stays on, effectively tripling all subsequent damage (very nice vs. Baal).
Actually my math was wrong, because the effect is even smaller than 5-6% since I didn't factor in all the other ED sources (Faith, Fort, Merc). Therefore it's even less...about 2-3%. It doesn't skew my thinking regarding Atma's, but it does favor HL in the comparison vs. Cat's Eye. I guess I should have clarified how I arrived at my original number; I probably would have realized my mistake sooner. Ah well.
CDM: Yes, the 5% is misleading, because it's not the chance of doing triple damge, but rather the chance of cursing one or more enemies so that they begin receiving triple damage. On a boss this basically means once it pops it stays on, effectively tripling all subsequent damage (very nice vs. Baal).
crawlingdeadman
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Re: What can I do to improve my Bowazons damage?
how is it triple damage?
how is it triple damage?
killmofasta
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Re: What can I do to improve my Bowazons damage?
Once again, my Act 1 rogue, with a Amp Damage bow, keeps on freezing, and leveling. Where can I get a sword with AD for an act 3 merc?
DaveTheGreat
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: What can I do to improve my Bowazons damage?
Wow this has turned into a pretty intense amulet debate :hanky:
Atma's are fairly cheap however, so I am going to get one even if just to try it out. I just got a 6ml 8ll rare ring too :grin:, to replace my manald.
Whats that bonehelm I see a lot of higher level zons wearing?
Wow this has turned into a pretty intense amulet debate :hanky:
Atma's are fairly cheap however, so I am going to get one even if just to try it out. I just got a 6ml 8ll rare ring too :grin:, to replace my manald.
Whats that bonehelm I see a lot of higher level zons wearing?
Re: What can I do to improve my Bowazons damage?
Killmofasta for a sword to work, the merc would have to physically strike the target to get the effect to proc. As the A3 guys are casters it should not work, while the barbarian mercs beat the stuffing out of anything in their way...those guys could get lots of use from such a weapon if it existed.
Killmofasta for a sword to work, the merc would have to physically strike the target to get the effect to proc. As the A3 guys are casters it should not work, while the barbarian mercs beat the stuffing out of anything in their way...those guys could get lots of use from such a weapon if it existed.
Re: What can I do to improve my Bowazons damage?
CDM: Amp damage increses damage by 100%. On enemies with no DR% this means double damage, but in hell most monsters have DR, and if you take 50% DR as an average then doing 150% damage effectively triples your damage. It's semantics, but that's the idea.
DtG: The bonehelm is most likely a Giant Skull unique helm. With 2 open sockets it offers 30% IAS potential, KB, and a little CB. It's perfect when matched with LoH gloves.
CDM: Amp damage increses damage by 100%. On enemies with no DR% this means double damage, but in hell most monsters have DR, and if you take 50% DR as an average then doing 150% damage effectively triples your damage. It's semantics, but that's the idea.
DtG: The bonehelm is most likely a Giant Skull unique helm. With 2 open sockets it offers 30% IAS potential, KB, and a little CB. It's perfect when matched with LoH gloves.
DaveTheGreat
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: What can I do to improve my Bowazons damage?
Hmmm, should I look into getting one of these giant skulls instead of my andys?
All my friends tell me I need to get KB.
Hmmm, should I look into getting one of these giant skulls instead of my andys?
All my friends tell me I need to get KB.