What are the important Barb breakpoints?

Smashy

Banned
What are the important Barb breakpoints?

I can't seem to find them.. hit recovery, run/walk.. what else it there?

All charts, etc. are greatly appreciated.
 

Halciet

Diabloii.Net Member
r/w doesn't really have bps, and it's difficult to calculate it, though I have the faster cast and hit recovery bps in the tables section of my guide (sticky at top of forum), as well as swing bps charts for berserker axes and cbs using conc. Just scroll down near the bottom.

We REALLY need to get Skit to rebuild the FAQ.

-Hal
 

wind

Diabloii.Net Member
I'm not sure if anything has changed for r/w since 1.09, but here's a r/w breakdown from 1.09 off of Darius' PvP guide from the stragedy compendium:

Darius said:
Increased Speed

Tweaker: 5-12 - this skill has massive diminishing returns and there are numerous speed boosting items/charms available in D2X but its advantage is the fact that it adds to your base speed whereas item bonuses are based on that. That's why most allround PvP barbs have exactly 14 points in Inc. Speed with items, i.e. 10-12 base. Slvl 14 Increased Speed gives you 40% FR/W and after that you must spend two skill points for every percent of FR/W so it's not worth it. If your Inc. Speed is lvl 5 base, you should still be fast enough but since footspeed is absolutely crucial in so many duels, I recommend 14 points with items. For instance, if your only skill boost on items is +2 on Arreat's, go for slvl 12 base Inc. Speed.

What's the difference between Inc. Speed and FR/W on items? Why do I need high ISpeed?

Here we go. This is the formula for FR/W bonus on items:
Effective gear FR/W bonus = (120 * FR/W on items) / (120 + FR/W on items) = x
Skill FR/W bonus = y
Total FR/W = 1 + x/100 + y/100

Now, let's assume two barbs have 100% FR/W but one of them has 40% from skill (lvl 14 ISpeed) and 60% from items (boots, charms) and the other one has 25% from skill (lvl 4 ISpeed) and 75% from items. Let's calculate their total effective FR/W.

BARB 1: (120 * 60) / (120 + 60) = 40% items; 40% skill.
Total FR/W = 1 + 0.4 + 0.4 = 1.8 = 180% effective R/W

BARB 2: (120 * 75) / (120 + 75) = 46% items; 25% skill
Total FR/W = 1 + 0.46 + 0.25 = 1.71 = 171% effective R/W

As you can see, FR/W from skills (Inc. Speed for barbs) is more valuable than FR/W on items like charms, boots or amulets.
I hate math but cut and paste is doable :D
 

Smashy

Banned
Okay so with lvl14 Increased Speed, how much non-skill-point speed do I need to reach this breakpoint? Is it 60% or was that example hypothetical?
 

alainpp66

Diabloii.Net Member
It was hypothetical...

Run/Walk doesn't work with breakpoints. (Just like Halciet said)

It's a system of diminishing returns just like Mf.

Ex: Getting from 50%R/W to 100%RW will do much more than going from 100%R/W to 150%R/W.

Halciet made no mention off FBR and since you'll probably need it for all other chars as well, I'll direct you to this thread: http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=137779
 

wind

Diabloii.Net Member
Smashy said:
Okay so with lvl14 Increased Speed, how much non-skill-point speed do I need to reach this breakpoint? Is it 60% or was that example hypothetical?
Looks like you don't like to do the math as much as me.

Darius is basically giving you the formula to figure out a barbs r/w, which gets complicated by the fact he receives it from two different ways. His combat skill and the items he wears. The only thing of interest I find is that faster r/w will benefit more from skill points than items.

It's up to the player to figure out what works best for his gear and build.

I'm not sure if any of it has changed for 1.10, but my guess, it's still the same.
 

plasteredkittylizard

Diabloii.Net Member
The only problem with faster r/w is that eventually, you WILL desync. Hope you like black walls of nothingness, lol. Granted, that is with obscene r/w, but it can and will happen. Bear it in mind...
 

SoulTaker

Diabloii.Net Member
is there a ias breakpoint?
i have sheals and a ias/ed but i dunt wanna socket it and it be a waste...
ne info would be apprecaited,
 

Halciet

Diabloii.Net Member
It depends on the weapon skill. Whirlwind has fixed breakpoints:

-10 and -35 for all one-handed weapons and all swords
-10, -30, and -60 for all two-handed weapons

Other skills, like conc, bash, berserk, and stun, are classified as "regular" attacks, and thus require a different amount of ias to hit certain bps depending on the base speed of the weapon. Use the calculator at the top of the forum to figure these out; just set your class to barb, then the weapon type, and finally plug in the base speed of the weapon type (as determined using diabloii.net item database; i.e. berserker axes are 0, ogre mauls are 10, etc) into the WSM field. THen hit "Show Table." The column on the far right is how much ias you need to hit each bp on the far left.

-Hal
 

Halciet

Diabloii.Net Member
Grandar King of Trolls said:
Thanks for the link, it helps a lot. I still don't see any dropdown bars w/that name.
Scroll all the way up to the top of the page. There are 4 white boxes that have the words "Jus the FAQs, Ma'am" "Calculator/Stat Sheets" "Information" and "Network" in them.

-Hal
 

Halciet

Diabloii.Net Member
Grandar King of Trolls said:
Nope, nothing of the sort. Not on my screen, anyway. http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=138363

That's the link I'm on. It's no biggie.
Yes, that's the same page. What are you viewing it in? IE? Mozilla? It's there in both of those. I'm thinking it must either be your browser, or you're just not noticing it (it doesn't stand out very well).

At the VERY top of the page, you should have the forum warning message: "Please do not abuse...warn before banning" and then below that a row of 4 white drop boxes, and then the actual forum panel with User CP/FAQ/Members List/Calender/New Posts/etc etc.

Sorry, just trying to help you see it; these kinds of things get to me, since I'm in the IT sector over in our CS department, lol ;)

-Hal
 

Grandar King of Trolls

Diabloii.Net Member
I understand. I'm a computer engineer doing IT for a... major American ISP, shall we say.

All the same, it really isn' there. I can send a screen shot if you want. :) I'm using IE and Mozilla, and it isn't in either. I actually already checked that.

Oh, and there is no warning message either.

I understand the furstration, believe me, but it's no big deal in the long run. I'll just bug you for url's. :)
 

Cedrig-HKW

Diabloii.Net Member
Grandar King of Trolls said:
I understand. I'm a computer engineer doing IT for a... major American ISP, shall we say.

All the same, it really isn' there. I can send a screen shot if you want. :) I'm using IE and Mozilla, and it isn't in either. I actually already checked that.

Oh, and there is no warning message either.

I understand the furstration, believe me, but it's no big deal in the long run. I'll just bug you for url's. :)

does anyone happen to know the hit recovery breakpoints?
 

Halciet

Diabloii.Net Member
Damn, I wonder what the hell is wrong with it...maybe some kind of plug-in issues or such, I dunno. *scratches head*

Oh, and Cedrig, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, you can get the fhr tables from my guide, in the stickies (well, i guess the only sticky, at the moment) at the top of the forum.

-Hal
 

SoulTaker

Diabloii.Net Member
grrrr
as usuel i dunt know how to read a fuking graph...
i put in barb
2 hand other
18(couldnt delete it i thought the wep speed went there?)
i put nothing..and 0 second time(0 was wep spped)...

i have no idea how to read the 3 columns of info...
i was just sorta looking for a number...as in,XX ias would be a barbs breakpoint..
but of course thats not how the cookie crumbles
=\
help neone?
 

Halciet

Diabloii.Net Member
On that table you now have, far left column is IAS needed, far right is what breakpoint you hit. What weapon were you calculating for?

-Hal
 
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