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What about gambling?

Discussion in 'Diablo 3 General Discussion' started by sicilian, Feb 3, 2009.

  1. sicilian

    sicilian IncGamers Member

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    What about gambling?

    Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I haven't seen it in any recent threads or interviews. Have they said whether some gambling system will be present in D3?

    I always liked it in D2 as a means to spend gold, and fill in the slots you don't have high-end items in. I would like to see them go a little further though:

    1) I want to be able to gamble on everything, even runes and gems. You could do it by gambling on a Bag of Gems, starting at a fairly high level (about 20). You'd get anywhere from 3-6 gems, most of which would be the lowest quality, but every once in a while you'll get the higher ones. Runes would be similar, you would gamble on an Unidentified Rune that usualy would end up being the lesser versions. But there's always the small chance you get a rare type or quality of rune.

    2) There's been debate about whether items should have negative mods. Gambling would be a good way to add those without making them commonplace in the game. Find an item in the world, it can only have positive mods. Gamble on an item, and it can have the negative version of any mod as well. If it has a chance of adding 10-15% fire resistance, it also has the chance to give you -10-15% fire resistance. This way, all gambled items could contain a "Rare" number of mods, and the decision to use them or not would be weighed against any negatives that came up.

    Any thoughts? Or anything announced already?
     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    I agree, make everything gamble-able, but make the odds of getting that item slightly to moderately lower than if you found it by killing crap. This gives a use for money besides repairing and hoping for a great amulet : )

    just a quick question about Diablo 2, is a mara's kaleidoscope even possible to gamble? (lets just assume you're lvl 99)
     
  3. sicilian

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    Re: What about gambling?

    Not anymore. You used to have a 1 in 10000 chance to gamble a unique, but one of the later patches (I wanna say 1.08?) removed that.


     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    I say surely gambling is a must in D3 .... it is a good money sink ... gives alternate things to do and alternate ways to get good items.

    It just needs some tweaking and also like "Echod16" said .. itneeds to include all the items in the game even if it is going to have a less chance to get them than it is from monsters ... this will make gambling more worth while.
     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    I think some items should not be available through gambling, either because they are trivial (potions anyone?), or their rarity through monster drops would make gambling the preferred way to acquire them (goldfarming). Should there be transmutation, gambling for transmutables could also have a significant effect on the economy.

    IIRC correctly, at higher levels most of what was gambled was trash either because it was normal/exceptional instead of an elite base item, or the mods sucked, so I think negative mods would make things worse. There's also the matter of competition with the repair bill for non-uniques, especially with plain magical items.
     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    Gambling HAS to be in D3. Just like Knight_Wolf says, in order to make gold more useful, we need more reasons to spend it and we need a money sink. Hopefully there won't be a gold cap.

    It'd be great if there are certain items you can ONLY get through gambling.
     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    Amen to that, as long as the chance one will get any of them is pretty lowwwww .. kinda like (0.0001%) or something XD


     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    Just lost 10$ in poker AND I WANT TO LOSE MORE!
    Gambling is a must for me to enjoy the game (fallout, witcher). It must be in D3 if I it ever will be in my top 10 list.
     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    Gambling is a great way to spend loose change and take a risk. I'm going to assume that gold will be somewhat valuable in D3 (definitely more so than in D2).

    The thing to be careful about with gambling is regulating the chances. This is an exaggeration, but if gambling were a replacement for earning items as opposed to actually playing the game, we may have 'selling gold online' issues. *Some* people would be inclined to simply fork out $10-$15 USD for X amount of gold and gamble on such items, rather than trying to spend the time finding it.

    My point is that gambling should be something you would do occasionally and not a feasible way to obtain good gear. That being said, I do think that every item should be able to be earned through gambling (terrible chances of course).

    Also my point about online gold: I do realize that no matter what, some people will still buy gold. What I was trying to point out was that I don't want it to become more frequent with the average gamer. Play the game the way it was meant to be played.
     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    I'd like to see gambling return in D3, preferably with similar returns (not set/unique %s, just general item value per gold) but with the efficiency of gambling increased so I don't have to constantly reopen the gamble window in the hope of the item I want being there. Gambling was very worthwhile in D2 but more tedious than it needs to be.

    I recall gambling a maras in 1.11, have gambled multiple metalgrids and a few other unique amulets. Gambling chances were higher back in, oh, 1.06 or so? I vaguely recall SPFers sometimes gambling in pre-1.07 versions as an easy way to get a few unique items to bring across.



     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    If I recall correctly, Blizzard (Jay Wilson probably) mentioned in an interview that gambling is something they want to include in Diablo 3, but haven't finalized how it will work yet. These interviews are from WWI or BlizzCon, so they are starting to get old...
     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    I agree. It would be nice if, once your level unlocked a certain type of item to gamble on, it would display that item every time instead of picking 10-15 items at random. The only downside is gambling might feel somehow cheapened by making it too quick and easy.

    Really? I could have sworn they did away with gambling for uniques, but I can't remember where and when I heard it. Did they reinstate it in 1.11 or am I wrong and they just never removed it?


     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    I wrote about the importance of gambling in one of the thread in the items sections.
    Not only will one be able to get the usual unique items, they should include items made available only through gambling.


     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    The chance to gamble a unique was completely removed in 1.08, but added back in later. V1.10 IIRC, but at a greatly reduce chance. I remember this because I had only learned you could gamble an SOJ in v1.07 about 2 weeks before 1.08 was pushed out.:weep: At least I managed to get about 7 of them before the "new" patch was released. The old chance for any unique was in the neighborhood of 3% (1.07 and older.) Now it's much much less than 1% but I don't remember the ratio.

    I've gambled a number of green items since v1.10 and couple of uniques but nothing worth mentioning.


     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    I've been reading posts on diii.net for a while now, but after reading this post i wanted to make an acc to put in my 2 cents on this subject.

    Gambling:

    A way to spend money on items?
    Or a way to wager gold/items?
    Or both?

    What I'm saying is, while i still want to see the return of a similar style of gambling that was used in D2. I want to see a casino style of gambling put into the mix.

    For example, blizzard could make a unique card game that's related to the world of Sanctuary and different players could get together and gamble each hand, or on the game as a whole.

    Maybe there could even be a lot of different gambling games to choose from such as card games, dice games, and dueling games. (Texas Hold'em!!!!!!!)

    The dueling games are the ones i want to focus on right now though. In D2 there were always many arguments about what was "Gm" and "Bm". If there was an option to bring up a menu before you duel somebody, there could be specific requirements that needed to be met in the duel that could be checked off such as no absorb, no life tap, etc. Also in the menu, you should be able to wager on the duel and possibly have side bets between other players watching the 2 or more players duel.

    Anybody else think something like this should be put in?
    (post#1 for me)
     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    I like the idea about game enforced ground rules for PVP, but gambling between players? Playing cards? Meh I think no.
     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    Gamble was one of the funniest things Diablo2 got.

    I hope it will be in D3 too... but I hope it won't be limited to just few items like amulets the most. I hope gamble system in D3 works the same and become useful with every kind of equip: weapons, amulets, belt, etc.

    Gamble must be in D3.
    Same with crafting.
     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    Gambling was useful to obtain quite a lot of items provided you had the gold.
     
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    Re: What about gambling?

    I like the prospect of gambeling making a return into D3 but I cant help to think that in D2 it was to readily available to any character from lvl 1-99. What I think should be done in D3 is some type of system that would make a person have to work at gambling before they are even able to gamble for a particular item type such as metal armour, or specific sword types. The same should do for crafting as well.

    What I think the system could be is yo have to spend X amount of gold to hit rank one, X amount of gold for rank 2 and when you get to rank 5 you get to gamble a different item type.

    what do you think?


    Z-Sui
     
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    Re: What about gambling?


    Sounds interesting, but when you're playing single player, it's nice to be able to gamble right off the bat, because that ends up being one of the main sources of goodies (at least for me). But D3's a different game, and it's a new ball game.


     

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