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Anakha1

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US says it never warned of "imminent" Iraq threat

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Smarting from the failure so far to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (news - web sites), the White House denied it had ever warned that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) posed an "imminent" threat to the United States.

At the same time, US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) declined to repeat his prediction that US-led forces scouring Iraq will discover the prohibited weapons he cited as the chief reason for the March 2003 invasion.

"There is no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein was a grave and gathering threat to America and the world," Bush said during a brief public appearance with visiting Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski.

The case for war has drawn election-year scrutiny because the former head of the US-led effort to find banned weapons in Iraq, David Kay, said recently that he did not think such stockpiles existed on the eve of the invasion.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan, who also refused to say he thought Kay's successor would succeed, mounted a defense of the administration's pre-war warnings about the threat posed by Saddam.

"I think some in the media have chosen to use the word 'imminent.' Those were not words we used. We used 'grave and gathering' threat," he insisted.

But if Bush never called Saddam's Iraq an "imminent threat" in so many words, he said it was "urgent," Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) called it "mortal" and it was "immediate" to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

In an October 7, 2002 televised speech to the nation, Bush likened the standoff with Iraq to the October 1962 Cuban missile crisis, when Soviet missiles were revealed to be based just 90 miles (145 kilometers) off US shores.

In that same speech, he warned that Saddam "could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists" like the al-Qaeda network behind the September 11, 2001 attacks.

"No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq," Rumsfeld testified to lawmakers in September 2002.

Other senior Bush aides shied away from using the word "imminent" but agreed with that characterization in exchanges with reporters.

On January 26, 2003, CNN television asked White House communications director Dan Bartlett "is he (Saddam) an imminent threat to US interests, either in that part of the world or to Americans right here at home?"

"Well, of course he is," Bartlett replied.

On May 7, 2003, a reporter asked then White House spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites): "We went to war, didn't we, to find these -- because we said that these weapons were a direct and imminent threat to the United States? Isn't that true?"

"Absolutely. One of the reasons that we went to war was because of their possession of weapons of mass destruction. And nothing has changed on that front at all," the spokesman replied.

"Another way to look at this is if Saddam Hussein holds a gun to your head even while he denies that he actually owns a gun, how safe should you feel?" Fleischer told reporters on October 9, 2002.
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Semantics: the last defence of someone who is completely full of horse****.
 

Corneo

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Anakha we all know that politicans back track, one day they are saying A the next day they say B. Old news with a new topic.
 

Anakha1

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Corneo said:
Anakha we all know that politicans back track, one day they are saying A the next day they say B. Old news with a new topic.
It'd be nice to at least see one of them admit that they might have screwed up. Saying "Oh, we never said that" when it was clearly and intentionally implied is utter bull. Only a moron wouldn't see straight through that. It smacks of immaturity. I expect at least a bit of creativity from politicians when they're jerking people around. Bush isn't even trying anymore.
 

llad12

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Corneo said:
Anakha we all know that politicans back track, one day they are saying A the next day they say B. Old news with a new topic.
That's a cop-out of an excuse. Don't get me started on that squinty-eyed, lying weasel in the White House and his arrogant, reckless, foreign policy that has caused the deaths of thousands.
 

DurfBarian

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"I did not have sex with that woman."

Remember when that was the semantic dishonesty that outraged huge crowds of people? Good times, good times.

I forget how many US helicopters were shot down by Clinton's genitals, though.
 

Suicidal Zebra

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Yay, go revisionism. All we need now is for Bush to say that Gaddafi is a fine and upstanding member of the African free world.


So, shall we say Thursday for that Mr President?
 

Xenon[XoA]

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Yeah.. I saw it on the Daily Show last night. He really tore them up : /
But what's next? He's not going to get away with it all that easily is he? 'cause.. if you can declare war on another country falsely... what else is within your reach?
 

Majikar

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Xenon[KoA] said:

Yeah.. I saw it on the Daily Show last night. He really tore them up : /
But what's next? He's not going to get away with it all that easily is he? 'cause.. if you can declare war on another country falsely... what else is within your reach?
Well, when you run a country full of such fools, I guess everything is within your reach. It is scary how many people I still run into that think he is a great president that has done nothing wrong...

Second term? Canada is looking like a good place to live...
 

a3d

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Majikar said:
Well, when you run a country full of such fools, I guess everything is within your reach....
Oh yeah?
So were a country of fools?
And canadians are much better?
I'm sure the rest of the world is so much smarter than the U.S.


I don't support Bush, but he is my president and I'll give him the respect his office deserves.
You don't like it you are allowed to vote for some one else or MOVE.
 

a3d

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Anakha1 said:
No, the only difference is that we recognize when our leader is a complete wad and then we shout him down from the rooftops.
I think it's common knowledge that bush is unpopular.
He's a half *** president to be sure but we're stuck with him.
I just wish that William Jefferson Clinton was elected to a third term.

BTW- how can you compare the leader of a superpower with the leader of canada?



Al Sharpton For President!!!!(just kidding)
 

Xynrx

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Anakha1 said:
It'd be nice to at least see one of them admit that they might have screwed up. Saying "Oh, we never said that" when it was clearly and intentionally implied is utter bull. Only a moron wouldn't see straight through that. It smacks of immaturity. I expect at least a bit of creativity from politicians when they're jerking people around. Bush isn't even trying anymore.
This is the closest your going to get.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3443627.stm

Yeah, we may have had info earlier that may have not been entirely accurate regarding WMDs... but we removed a ruthless dictator!!!!

Slick, real slick.

EDIT: wrong link
 

LunarSolaris

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C'mon guys... let's avoid the malicious stuff toward each other and the personal attacks... Aneklahomaha raised a good point here and it's worthy of some discussion (I think).

I do have to agree with Corneo on some levels in that Politicians do this routinely (say something or imply it... and then deny it down the road - that, or backtrack). Bush seems to be clearly doing this.

Durf made a great observation that Clinton was no different... and guess what? Whomever succeeds Bush to the White House will also do no better. Why? Because politicians are... well, politicians. The politicians of the U.S. are not altogether different than the politicians of other countries in that their primary motivation is to gain popular support of the people in order to be elected to office and/or retain office. It's a part of human nature.

So... that being said, let me open my campaign right now and announce my candidacy for president. I'm asking for all of your support in the upcoming election. Free beer and cheetos to everyone is going to be my campaign platform.

So... who's with me?!?!?!?!?!


LunarSolaris for President in 2004!!! Brought to you by the LunarSolaris for president in 2004 committee
 

Sergeant

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LunarSolaris said:
So... that being said, let me open my campaign right now and announce my candidacy for president. I'm asking for all of your support in the upcoming election. Free beer and cheetos to everyone is going to be my campaign platform.

So... who's with me?!?!?!?!?!


LunarSolaris for President in 2004!!! Brought to you by the LunarSolaris for president in 2004 committee
You can give my beer to someone else, I just want the cheetos

*signs up*
 

LunarSolaris

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It's a done deal... I'm sure I can find someone who wants extra beer. The cheetos are unlimited.

Hmmmmmm, I guess I was a bit hasty with my nominations - later today I shall come up with my political stances on certain issues. I'm positive that I'll garner at least 2% of the OTF vote!!
 

Anakha1

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I'll vote for you Lunar. Oh wait... I'm not an American citizen. Well I'll send you campaign contributions. Wait... that might be illegal.

Ok, I'll wave my man-boobies at you for emotional support *waves man-boobies at Lunar*
 
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