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weird svs build

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  1. elationtheory

    elationtheory Diabloii.Net Member

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    weird svs build

    i was looking through the arreat's summit and came up with a weird build for svs.

    instead of the standard build, what i came up with was:

    shael-ed shako
    maras
    enig
    double bk rings
    bloodfist
    waterwalks

    and here's the funky part:

    trang belt
    4 ber-ed jeweler's sacred targe of deflecting

    with this build, i bypass the cbf mod from ravens using trang belt, gaining a small boost of 3 bo-able life (66 life from trang belt compared to 20 dex from ravens, which equates to 60 life on a pally)

    this leaves me free to use 2 bk rings for added life.

    by using the jstod and 4bering it, enig + shield equates to 40dr, which means i only need 10 from somewhere.

    i chose the shako for that because it also nets me +2 skills, life and mana.

    i shael the shako so that with bloodfists, i reach the 48fhr bp.

    i'm undecided between maras or a 3pcomb/100 life ammy.

    with the block calculator, at lvl 94, i need 137 dex for max block with this. doesn't sound too bad, but the problem i see is that with 2 bk rings that effectively replace my vanilla ring setup of stat ring + ravens, i would compromise (for me) 37 dex that contributes to my block.

    is there another way around this problem? because i'm not willing to forfeit 37 stat points or 111 bo-able life on my normal setups just for a svs setup. or should i just bear with the lower block?

    i was considering a variation of cube-boing with the rings in my inventory somewhere.

    any thoughts or suggestions?
     
  2. Sass

    Sass Diabloii.Net Member

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    Re: weird svs build

    Both BKs give you +90 - 100 life (depends on level, but I think you're at lvl 90 instead of 99). 100 life is ~33 stats, which is less than Raven's +40. If looking for life, there's an option.


    You do lose 2 skills, which is why I'd go for the 3 pcomb amulet. I doubt you need the res from maras, and the 100 life (bo-able life) is probably worth the loss of 2 BO.




    The build is certainly...funky ;P
     
  3. elationtheory

    elationtheory Diabloii.Net Member

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    Re: weird svs build

    i think one ravens would be the best choice, which leaves the other ring free. maybe a crafted stat ring would work. if i take off maras, i lose the 5 dex, so in order to not compromise my vanilla builds, i was thinking a FUNKY HIT POWER CRAFTED RING! (WHO EVEN MAKES THOSE?) so i can get the 5 dex from there. i guess the best would be a 19 or 20 dex 40 life ring i guess.

    gives me enough dex to maintain max block.

    with ravens, i get the cbf mod which means i can take off trang belt for dungos which gives way more life and comes with dr so i can remove a ber somewhere on the shield.

    the best helm i think would still be shako though. so i get 10dr from shako + 8 from enig + 15 from dungos, giving 33 dr. so i need 17 dr.

    maybe i could 2 ber the shield instead of 4 bering it, for 49dr and add in 2 jahs for 100 bo-able life or something.

    i'm not sure if it's worth the investment though. maybe when i'm bored or something or a cheap jstod somehow falls in my lap, i'll try it out.

    i want to address the clunkiness of the fhr though. bloodfists give 30, with dungos 10. so i still need 8fhr to hit the 48 bp.
    shael-ing the shako seems so crass.

    anyone has any ideas on how to hit the 48fhr bp with a jah-ed shako? im guessing 2scs would work, since i'm already using one one fhr sc on my normal set up. but it's still so inelegant. iso more graceful alternatives! =x

    anyone else has any ideas or comments or things to point out that may have slipped my mind?
     
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    Re: weird svs build

    eee... you can't get 40 life and 19-20 dex... 15 dex 40 life is possible though.
    (alot of people crafts..)
    And Prubies are better than Jah's as BO doesn't work on %extra life.

    3pb/combat is definately the best choice, mara just some cheap excuse not to think and cookiecutter along...

    A jah'ed shako is just meh and bleh and ugh... Ber it or Shael it.

    I'd suggest COA....2 bered.... and then a rare or crafted belt that has 30-40strength and loads of life....a 20str/15dex ring..... this will free up your Shields socket, and you can add... maybe 2 elds? And a Cham in a shield = Cannot be frozen, which means another slot for another ring..... which possibly means another 20/15.. .

    it's expensive...
     
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    elationtheory Diabloii.Net Member

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    Re: weird svs build

    according to arreat summit:

    'Crafted Items have 1-4 Random Magical Prefixes/Suffixes'

    hit power ring stats:

    '+ (1-5) To Dexterity
    5% Chance To Cast Level 4 Frost Nova When Struck
    Attacker Takes Damage of (3-6)'

    magical affixes:

    of Perfection: ' +10-15 to Dexterity Amulets(43), Bows(43), Circlets(43), Crossbows(43), Gloves(56), Rings(56), Body Armor(60), Boots(60) '

    of The Mammoth: '+31-40 to Life Amulets(25), Body Armor(25), Belts(25), Barb Helms(25), Circlets(25), Dru Pelts(59), Shields(59), Clubs(68), Hammers(68), Helms(68), Maces(68), Rings(68) '

    yes, both can spawn on crafteds. so yes. my ring can exist. just that no one crafts hit power rings. lol. maybe i should start.

    prubies are not as good as jahs because prubies in a shield gives fire resists not life. jahs in a shield give 50 life each, which is higher than the 38 from a pruby.

    all things considering, a single jah in the helm will also give me more life than the 38 from the pruby. almost 40 life more i think.

    i was actually considering maras cos i was wondering if i could gain enough life from the setup such that +2 skills would be more beneficial than + 100 life. tall order, i know. but imagine if that is possible! haha.

    coa < shako in svs because of its lack of life.

    your suggestion is actually exactly my vanilla setup on my smiter! i use a 20str 14 dex 41 life crafted ring and a 24 fhr 20 str 57 life crafted ow belt. i wear double ber-ed coa with base strength baby. 4900 life, max block, 47 dr, 86fhr. ftw. haha. no need for 2 20/15 rings and a 30 str belt. a 20 str belt and ring does the job already. ;)

    im trying to maximise the life without using too many of my sockets on bers, which is why i thought about jstod and the extra 3(?) 4(?) sockets it offers me. not to mention i already have max dr without needing to ber my shako in this setup.

    i dun need to double eld the shield because i already have enough dex for maxblock with it. i have 136 dex now at lvl 94. if im not wrong, max block for the jstod is 137 dex at lvl 94, which is a token away lol.


     
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    Re: weird svs build

    I'll re-write this when I come home from school....

    What does the Shako set-up mean?

    110 life(that is not boable) , 2 sk, which in turns adds to BO = more life, and a free socket.
    Dungos = 120 life(not boable) 15 dr#, 10fhr....
    Not enough FHR which means that you have to get a Shael, or 2xfhr/1LC FHR...

    15DR%+10%dr%8dr....(nigma,shako,dungo) which means you need to compensate by more Ber's in the shield...

    This is exhanged for 57life+20str+24fhr+ow (OW is quiet the damage dealer)
    CoA = 31DR+30FHR.... --- means you need more strength---- how much
    39DR with CoA and Enigma, 47DR% if you get a Ber in the Shield. Then you can add 3xJah's.

    More thinking on this when I get home. I've probably missed something obvious. But I do think that a CoA is better in a SvS setup then Shako, and if you don't need to invest str it'll out-do it by quiet a bit.
     
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    Re: weird svs build

    i can't wear a coa without the stats from hoz though. well, i can, if i invest str, but i don't wanna compromise my effectiveness against every other char just for svs.

    i don't think the 4 frame fhr provided by 86fhr is necessary for svs either which is why i decided to drop to 48fhr for svs. gives me more room to play with. dungos beats my belt hands down in terms of life. with coa i get a lvl 17 bo. that's 83%. that's 104 life from my ow belt, which is still lower than 120.

    not to mention, dungos goes well with shako (another 110 flat life + a 3% extra bo life than coa) with it's lack of strength. overall, shako and dungos net me around 220 more life.

    with the 2 jahs from the shield giving me 100 more life, after bo it's 183 life from the shield itself. taking off the 20 vita from hoz, that's 123 life extra.

    so shako/dungos/jstod with berberjahjah will net me 220 + 123 or 343 more life than the coa/ow belt setup.

    if i remove one 5/20 to reach the 48fhr bb (since i'm already using one 5/5fhr sc to reach the 86bp for coa setup), i'll lose its life bonuses of 36 life after bo.

    so the shako/dungos/jstod setup nets me 307 more life than my coa/crafted belt/hoz setup with a free socket in the shako still available. i will also reach max dr and max block, with the only thing i am giving up beingfhr, for which i will move 1 frame down.

    my dr moves up by a sliver though. from 47% on coa/craft belt/hoz setup, to 49% shako/dungos/jstod.

    if i jah the shako, i will gain a further round figure of 84 life ++. so that makes it almost an extra 400 life altogether, which i think is pretty neat. even though it's not allowed, with bo prebuffing i'll reach close to 6k life! well, around 5.8k but that still makes me smile.

    at the very least, it's the damage equivalent of around one more smite, which makes all the difference when two smiters are pounding on each other!

    if there is a way to get more effective life, please tell me though. i'm still looking for ideas hahah.

    thanks for helping with the fine-tuning!

    if anyone else has any ideas, like using obscure runewords or rares/sets/etc please suggest!


     
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    Re: weird svs build

    To be honest but shako ber is the way to go in SvS if the smiter is a smite vs smite specifically.


     

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