Warning about Rune Word Catcher

[Dezante]

Warning about Rune Word Catcher

I'm new to these forums so I don't know if this warning have been posted before, so bear with me.

I made a mistake of trusting Rune Word Catcher when making a Holy Thunder word (yes, I play SP untwinked); their recipe is written as Eth+Ral+Ort+Ral, when the real combination is Eth+Ral+Ort+Tal.

Luckily I could reverse the mistake by doing a hard reboot immediately after. It could have been real ugly otherwise, as I'm playing a Tesladin and the scepter in question already had +2 to Holy Shock before the runes (+5 now - Yum!).

Just thought I'd give a heads up and if any of you are using Rune Word Catcher, be sure to cross-check with other sources before making rune words you haven't done before (or with which you are not totally familiar).

Better yet, can any of you recommend a program similar to RWC that is 100% reliable?

EDIT: Link to RWC site deleted.



Addendum: You might find this amusing; I find it to be irony slapping me across my face and neck. This Holy Thunder I managed to create is too darn expensive! Repairing 11 points of its durability costs ~200,000 gold! I cannot keep up with my income as fast as it swallows it away in repairs...

/cry /sob /slashwrists /crashcar

 

[The Lich King]

Re: Warning about Rune Word Catcher

Check everything you need from Arreat Summit

Google it because I don't think I can link to it. It's the official battle.net diablo 2 site.

 

[Dezante]

Re: Warning about Rune Word Catcher

I know of Arreat Summit and use it for a lot of things, but what AS doesn't have is a rune word machine, they merely have a listing of them, hence why I resorted to another site for that particular service.

But with my little incident I've now learned to cross-check with AS (which is exactly what I did when finding that my Eth+Ral+Ort+Ral combo didn't yield a favoured result), and unless someone can guide me to a better, i.e. totally reliable rune word machine (or I find another myself) I'll keep cross-checking rune words with AS if they're new or unusual to me.

 

[NASE]

Re: Warning about Rune Word Catcher

What do you need a machine for? If you don't know what you are looking for, I can't see a machine to be helpful. And if you know what you are looking for, it can't get much easier then a list.

Note that linking to the summit isn't a problem, linking to other sites can be a problem. Note aswell that what you have done it your character is considered not done. Certainly not as you could have easily hell'ed your runeword to get the base item back. I'm afraid you just wasted your chances of every trading within the single player community.

P.S. Are you using a superior scepter for that runeword. Superior runewords are always extremely expensive.

 

[Dezante]

Re: Warning about Rune Word Catcher

What do you need a machine for? If you don't know what you are looking for, I can't see a machine to be helpful. And if you know what you are looking for, it can't get much easier then a list.

A machine makes it far easier to answer several rune related queries; "what can I create with the runes I have?" - "in this weapon X or this piece of armor Y with this number of slots, what rune words can I possibly make?" - "in which words is this particular rune used?" - "having found this rare rune should I immediately use it in this mid-level Rune Word or hold on to it for a higher level Word?", etc..

Note that linking to the summit isn't a problem, linking to other sites can be a problem.

The site and rune word machine I linked to cannot possibly be considered a problem, it violates no written or unwritten codes of play that I can tell. It merely helps you organize your rune planning.

Note aswell that what you have done it your character is considered not done. Certainly not as you could have easily hell'ed your runeword to get the base item back. I'm afraid you just wasted your chances of every trading within the single player community.

I was misinformed by a public Diablo II site and needed to make an immediate reboot before the rune insertion was saved. I did not at the time have a Hel rune to remove the socketed runes, nor did I at the time think of that particular option as I have never used that feature of the Cube before.

I'm no full-fledged Diablo II expert; I've only recently begun playing it again after years of absence. Far from every little tidbit of game lore is second nature to me, but I do understand how this desperate action is frowned upon. And if the consequence is that players will never want to trade with me, then it is no real loss since I have never traded with other players in this game nor have I any intention of ever doing so.

I'm merely offering a warning to users of Rune Word Catcher.

Are you using a superior scepter for that runeword. Superior runewords are always extremely expensive.

It is, yes, and that combined with the total result of +5 to a skill (the +2 it had before becoming a rune word added to the +3 from the word) apparently makes the price of it rocket to the high heavens.

 

[Flip10thMtn]

There's the cube option too-

I had forgot about these cube options - could be of use?

I happen to kinda hoard runes and Orts (N/L) aren't that hard to find or cube to - probably cheaper than the gold cost....

Repairs and Recharges
1 Ort Rune + Weapon --> Fully Repaired Weapon

v1.10 and later only.
This recipe will fully repair an item without visiting the NPC blacksmith. This is useful to avoid a trip to town, or to repair some weapons that have astronomical repair costs, due to irregularities in how the game determines the price for repairs.
Does not work on ethereal items.
Charges on an item are not replenished.

1 Ral Rune + Armor --> Fully Repaired Armor

v1.10 and later only.
This recipe will fully repair an item without visiting the NPC blacksmith. This is useful to avoid a trip to town, or to repair some armors that have astronomical repair costs, due to irregularities in how the game determines the price for repairs.
Does not work on ethereal items.
Charges on an item are not replenished.

1 Ort Rune + 1 Chipped Gem (any kind) + Weapon --> Fully Repaired and Recharged Weapon

v1.10 and later only.
This recipe will fully repair and recharge an item without visiting the NPC blacksmith. This is useful to avoid a trip to town, or to repair some armors that have astronomical repair costs, due to irregularities in how the game determines the price for repairs or recharges.
Will not repair (but will recharge) ethereal items.

1 Ral Rune + 1 Flawed Gem (any kind) + Armor --> Fully Repaired and Recharged Armor

v1.10 and later only.
This recipe will fully repair and recharge an item without visiting the NPC blacksmith. This is useful to avoid a trip to town, or to repair some armors that have astronomical repair costs, due to irregularities in how the game determines the price for repairs or recharges.
Will not repair (but will recharge) ethereal items.
Works on every type of armor: boots, gloves, belts, etc.

 

[Dezante]

Re: Warning about Rune Word Catcher

I have been looking into that, Flip10thMtn, and the Ort way of repairing is definitely something I'd have to use later on in the game when I can afford using them, i.e. right now they're better used in hoarding runes via upgrading.

The +5 Holy Shock scepter is on hold in my weapon shift for now, and I've gambled a decent rare long sword with 2 slots which works OK for now.

Ultimately, I will hopefully find/create a better weapon, that although it might not have +4-6 to Holy Shock will be overall better.

 

[krischan]

Re: Warning about Rune Word Catcher

It could have been real ugly otherwise

All runes including Hel (to clear the sockets) can be obtained by a few visits to the Countess in nightmare, so I wouldn't call the situation "real ugly", not even on untwinked SP, except the term "untwinked" also means that you never visit an area again after you cleared it.

I1 Ort Rune + 1 Chipped Gem (any kind) + Weapon --> Fully Repaired and Recharged Weapon
...
Will not repair (but will recharge) ethereal items.

I'm quite sure that nothing will refill charges of ethereal items, not even the repair recipe with a gem.

 

[Dezante]

Re: Warning about Rune Word Catcher

All runes including Hel (to clear the sockets) can be obtained by a few visits to the Countess in nightmare...

I know, but as I wrote previously, amidst my panic at having used a wrong combination of runes the thought of the Hel + Cube way around it did not occur to me. Lesson learned though.

... except the term "untwinked" also means that you never visit an area again after you cleared it.

If it is so, then I'm not playing untwinked. I am playing without third party software and without dealings or interaction with other players and as such I cannot even distribute items between my characters; that is what I meant by untwinked. What term then applies I know not.

 

[NASE]

Re: Warning about Rune Word Catcher

Untwink is just fine. Generally untwinked means without good items. For what ever be the reason.
However there are different degrees of untwinkedness. Single pass comes to mind, simply don't having better equipment is an other.

P.S. The single player communities might have more defined definitions though on the bnet part, it's not that important how exactly things are done. Untwinked = without good equipment. One of the common advises is to trade for cheap equipment - good twinking equipment - unless you are single player off course.
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Note that when you buy equipment or mule equipment over, you aren't playing untwinked anymore. Most people on bnet don't mind that. Single players on the other hand do.

 

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Re: Warning about Rune Word Catcher

I've always thought of the term "untwinked" as meaning you don't transfer items over from other characters but you are free to buy items from merchants or repeat areas. But I haven't participated in any of the single player tournaments so the official single player forum definition may be different.

I think most people say something like "single pass" to say they don't repeat areas.