Vs. Sorc and Druids

[coldturkey]

Vs. Sorc and Druids

I have a hammerdin with this setup:
Umed shako
Spirit and HOZ (I switch)
Wizpike and HOTO (I switch)
Maras
ravenfrost
soj
arachnid mesh
Waterwalks
Trang Gloves
Enigma.

I always loose against sorceresses and druids that teleport. My strategy is to chase ppl down with charge and vigor and then hammer away. Please help me out. Thank you.
-Andy

 

[jmsplat]

Vs sorcs play defensive; vigor charge away at an angle and shoot 3-4 hammers, repeat until dead. Vs. druids it's way harder; use same strategy if they use oak+bear, but if they use wolves, what I do is charge and hammer in a triangle, so that you have 3 small hammer fields going on at the same time. I usually die to wind druids :shocked: Make sure you have max DR vs them

 

[jake007]

I always loose against sorceresses

Sorceress with 95%ES will be one of the hardest matchup you can be pitted again. You have to keep on desync'ing hoping that some of your hammers connect before they replenish their mana (I Know alot of 95%ES sorceress who pots on blue) and kill you.

Don't hesitate to use 95% Resistance if the sorceress decides to use 95%ES though. It's all fair.

I'm devising a possible way to beat them but I'll need to do some testing before I can be certain that it's effective.


Wind druids are a bit easier than high ES sorceress, there are several ways you can defeat them. ALWAYS wear Ravenfrost.

Defensive:
Lay a hammerfield in what I call a 'web'. Basically you'll be trying to entangle the druid in a DENSE intersecting hammer field, and you will stay there as a bait.
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All summons should die and if he lives, he will teleport away to recast his summon. Now if you're quick you can use a delayed namelock with vigor and kill him while he's casting.

If you're not quick enough for that, just rinse and repeat. It will either be you or him.

Offensive: (I've only tried it once)
Convert your hammerdin into a hammer/smite hybrid by:
1. Dumping HoTo for a Grief PB (35+IAS)
2. Dumping Shako for a Rockstopper + 15%IAS jewel
3. Dumping whatever amulet for Highlord's wrath.

It will give you a total of 70%+IAS, and you should hit 6fpa smite, and 75%FCR and 86%FHR.

First you must lay a field of hammer around the wind druid. That should break oak and some minion stack. When in desync do a namelock smite. The druid will use a spirit instead of stormshield, so your smite HURT ALOT. (Note: The advantage of smite is that if you namelock properly, you always hit the player NOT the summon.)

 

[jmsplat]

Once ladder rolls, my hammer-leaning libby will be using grief + widow. The GAs with venom should own ES sorcs fast

 

[jake007]

Once ladder rolls, my hammer-leaning libby will be using grief + widow. The GAs with venom should own ES sorcs fast

Won't be effective, you'll loose a large chunk of your resistance with a widow.
Alot of ES sorceress carry anti-poison gears, so they will be prepared.
You'll need open wound from draculs, and sacrificing a glove slot is not worth it.


My devised plan is to use a 'Malice' dagger to deliver 100% open wound through charge. Maybe you should try it

 

[SicHalo]

Vs sorcs play defensive; vigor charge away at an angle and shoot 3-4 hammers, repeat until dead. Vs. druids it's way harder; use same strategy if they use oak+bear, but if they use wolves, what I do is charge and hammer in a triangle, so that you have 3 small hammer fields going on at the same time. I usually die to wind druids :shocked: Make sure you have max DR vs them

wont work vs a high es sorc due to the fact they usally xcan tank down the hammer dmg and its even worst if they are using vipermagi so a desynicing hammer would have to hit the sorc alot and even then it gives the sorc alot of time to recover to full mana.

Using delayed namelock tele hammers can do the job and make sure u have 125% fcr for this.

Druids u need desyncing hammer try to createfield arround them, also watch to see if they lose minnion stack, if they lose minnion stack they will usally tele away to resummon if u time this rite get a name lock tele and attack them while the resummon.

 

[coldturkey]

Thanks for all the help guys, but while i've played for about 4 yers, i still dont know the lingo al too well. What's desynicing hammers?

 

[jake007]

wont work vs a high es sorc due to the fact they usally xcan tank down the hammer dmg and its even worst if they are using vipermagi so a desynicing hammer would have to hit the sorc alot and even then it gives the sorc alot of time to recover to full mana.

Using delayed namelock tele hammers can do the job and make sure u have 125% fcr for this.

Teleporting on top of a 95%ES fballer is a bad idea as they WILL beat you in a shootout, assuming that they are at 105%IAS BP (or higher) and 86%FHR, unless you use 95% resistance with sources of absorb.

Might be plausible against orber/blizzard sorceress if you can catch them off-guard.

 

[SicHalo]

Teleporting on top of a 95%ES fballer is a bad idea as they WILL beat you in a shootout, assuming that they are at 105%IAS BP (or higher) and 86%FHR, unless you use 95% resistance with sources of absorb.

Might be plausible against orber/blizzard sorceress if you can catch them off-guard.

well by playing defensive they will tank down ur hammer easy u from my experiences i have had a better chance doing a delayed name lock tele on a high es sorc than desyncing playing uber defensive with hammer as they simply do not get hit enough and they can simply tele arround to wear of the dmg to the mana and regenerate back to max.

Usally hots are enought protection for me.

 

[Imbecile]

When I duel sorcs I charge most of the time. As you mentioned you use charge + vigor, try charging near the sorc and namelock her with right mousebutton (vigor). Try to predict when the sorc stands still (attacks) on your map and tele untop and hammer away. This strategy has 50% chance of being called an auto-aimer, but is well worth it and is effective. I have used this strategy for a long time and it is incredible.