viable pvp k/t in the makings?

order

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viable pvp k/t in the makings?

ive grown a little tired of my ww/ ls ghost and i decided i might as well try out something similar to arbedark's 174 kt guide. im just making sure im using adequate gear and skills distribution since ive never gone this far on a kicker before. feel free to give any type of feedback it will be greatly appreciated.

gear:
+2sin 20fcr visonary w/ 8dex 31light res (socket ber?)
mage or dusk enigma
um wizspike
32 fcr spirit monarch
maras
ravenfrost
rare 10fcr 120ar 12dex 36mana 5all res ring
exceptional uped classic boots (frw, fhr, str, tri res) 22-52 kick dmg i believe
dungos
trang glove
9 shadow lifer (or should i go for shadow trap mix?)
anni/ torch
cta/ spirit switch
1 fhr sc and rest 20lifer w/ mods
(ber shako as possible melee switch?)

stats:
str for gear
dex for gear
rest vita

skills:
20 wof
20 fireblast
20 woi
20 venom
1pt kick tree? dtalon and dflight
2pt mb (or should i put more for inc swirly duration?)
1pt rest of shadow tree

with this build i'll hopefully achieve around 1k mana pool w/ regeneration for easier spaming, 4k + life, 102 fcr, 86fhr, about 1k + trap damage?, 31 dr at all times with bos, max res in hell with some stack (more if i use fade), close to 1.5-1.6k applied venom damage to kicks and and probably 8-10k ar.

ive thought about building in a 75% block ss, but idk how much help it will really bring. i think i would have a better chance against melee builds with higher life and increased trap/ mb spamability from spirit.
 

Arbedark

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Ditch the boots. Low Kick damage = WHY?! :rolleyes:

Shadows are better than gores in most cases (30 fhr and 2 shadow skills, with 2x dex) as opposed to some OW.

75% block with storm is worth it for some situations.

I have 3.3k Life and 75% block on my Kick / Trap sin.

65% FCR BP is sufficient for most melee.

102% FCR BP is sufficient for most casters.

Keep gear for 174% FCR setup in stash.

If possible get 102% FCR when using a fury (or fools, although I prefer a nice fury).

I found 4 shadows / 5 traps to give the best over-all performance.

More traps and you lose too much venom damage, and more shadows and the trap damage is really just bleh. Might as well go for a ghost varient with base level traps if you aren't going to be doing decent damage (my opinion).

WoF = better for casters overall, and LS = better for general overall (tested both).

800+ mana is sufficient if you dont mind potting. If no pots aim for 1.2k at least (i get around this with certain setups).

Arachs is > dungoes in all situations.

For socketing options ofc check all the bps you need etc, then socket to get them (ias and fhr are main ones).

86% FHR with spirit and shadows = fine.

I went with 1 pt kick tree and only 15 in venom atm (does its job fine so far) - Level 93, will have 20 venom, maxed traps at level 99. This was only because I favour traps and play more as a trapsin with extra offensive capabilities atm (9.3k trap damage).
 

order

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i do have the option to upgrading boots to boneweave... if i do that pretty much makes them worthless to anyone besides a kicker tho. i didnt think the physical damage side of kick would be worth passing up these boots either since i should be able to pump more vita and have incredibly high stacking against light types at all times. i should have 76 stack if i did my calculations right without fade :). if i do decide to go with other boots shadow dancers are my definate choice.

i think im going to try more of a trapper side than kick, altho i should have very adequate kick damage i can use against casters and whatnot. i dont plan on trying to go toe-to-toe with most melee.

idk in my case if dungos or arach would be the better choice or not since i already meet the 102fcr bp and i dont plan on going to the 174. the +1 skill and mana increase and slow could be useful, but idk if it will beat the benefits dungos will have on my build.
 

Arbedark

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Order, how about this:

You're already wearing a 20 fcr circ, trangs, and a 10 fcr ring, so at 50 without shield right there.

Why not go for a silence PB instead of Wizzy. You will lose some mana, BUT you're res will stay the same, you will be able to get 9 frame traps and 7/3 kicks with fade instead of BoS.

Thus when using Arach and Silence you will have the same or better DR%, you will gain resists (from using fade), you will gain +3 all skills.

Just the stats alone show how superior that is :)

Overall you will have 70% FCR with storm and 102% FCR with spirit, perfect.
 

Arbedark

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Try doomz and hoto (ravens+mb). Just use kick to apply OW.
Both are bad choices.

Hoto requires BoS, and then you might as well go with Wizzy since it gives better overall stats for a kicker / trap hybrid.

And doom is also a bad choice for a primary weapon, since once again you need BoS, but you receive NO resists from the weapon, and gain a fantastically useless aura against casters (which k/ts specialise in), and a slight help vs melee. Doom WAR AXE isn't a BAD choice for switching to BoS and storm vs pure melee, as you gain 2 skills and keep the 65% FCR with my aforementioned setup, also gaining HF. Personal preference though.

Edit for vs Melee, I prefer to switch Silence / Fury with Spirit out for a HotO / Storm, keep 102% FCR and get 75% Block with 42% PDR, then go all out traps vs them.



 

order

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hmm arbedark you do make a pretty good point on the silence.... unfortunately it doesnt have ow so i would need to integrate uped gores into my build to make it more effective.

hmmm i could add in a few stat points to make this a nice gear switch... lol it would make a nice anti-foh weapon as well.
 

Arbedark

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hmm arbedark you do make a pretty good point on the silence.... unfortunately it doesnt have ow so i would need to integrate uped gores into my build to make it more effective.

hmmm i could add in a few stat points to make this a nice gear switch... lol it would make a nice anti-foh weapon as well.
OW isnt as needed at all as people make out. And with only a 25% chance of OW triggering its going to be even less effective.

The way I've got my sin planned out I've got a Fury Feral (i have enough IAS for it), with 3 LS, 2 Blade Shield, and some DF as my primary weapon. This gives me nice AR, speed, OW etc. Then I've got a Silence PB for my caster / pub duels.

For shields I've got a ber'd storm to take care of PDR and block, and a 34% Spirit (for the 174% fcr bp at times). With spirit I'm using upped gores (due to str issues and because I wanted to see how good the OW is), and with storm I use Shadows (takes care of lost FHR from the Spirit).

This way I can have lots of OW vs casters (only place its needed), and then also have 86% FHR BP on all switches.

If I were you Order, I'd go for something like me, the Silence takes care of res and allows nice stacking. Have this as the primary weapon, then for vs certain casters (necro's mainly), either go for a 102% Fury setup, OR go for a 174% Um'd wizzy setup for essential DF OWing.

Hope this makes sense, a tad drunk atm so meh.

If it doesnt query away and I'll try and make myself clearer. :girly:



 

order

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i'll probably just build my dex up to 136 req so i have an option to use it as a melee switch since i'll have more pdr (maybe paired with an eld ss, maybe i can get like 50% block?). i guess i can afford to use some pots in my dueling altho it tends to break my concentration a bit.

i think i'll keep an umed wizzy as my primary weapon choice since it will allow for more versatility in my mana usage and the slight chance of triggering ow.

would u suggest finishing off my extra points in mb for longer swirlies or going for some other skills like blade shield?
 

Arbedark

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i'll probably just build my dex up to 136 req so i have an option to use it as a melee switch since i'll have more pdr (maybe paired with an eld ss, maybe i can get like 50% block?). i guess i can afford to use some pots in my dueling altho it tends to break my concentration a bit.

i think i'll keep an umed wizzy as my primary weapon choice since it will allow for more versatility in my mana usage and the slight chance of triggering ow.

would u suggest finishing off my extra points in mb for longer swirlies or going for some other skills like blade shield?
You seem to be doing things the other way round to me :rolleyes:

I use Hoto vs melee, to stay at 102% FCR and have 75% block with storm, 9 frame traps with BoS and 50% PDR with Ber'd SS and Enigma

And I use the Silence vs casters with spirit for 102% FCR, for easier stacking and nice skills, along with the -30 base speed allows use of fade.

After a lot of testing i discovered this really was the best way. Keeping a 3 LS Malice for OW would be a good idea, incase you find very defensive ES Sorc's etc (although venom usually works wonders vs those).



 

order

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once i get to building i guess i could build in an eld ss and hoto switch just in case. i would probably only achieve something like 50% block but thats fine with me in most cases.

i dont think es sorcs will be too much of a problem since i should be able to stun them quite will with wof traps.
 
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