Viability of a shaman in PvP
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inanefedaykin
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They don't compete with anyone that knows what they're doing.
slothkin
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If shaman is the summoning druid with pts in volcano + synergies then good luck. The only move that you have that will hurt anyone will be grizzly which is very difficult to get a hit with against anyone decent. Id say ur best shot is against casters but no pally/barb/shapeshiftR ww asn should ever lose to you.
Verashiden
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It's definitely not top tier. However, it has some merits. However, most melee classes will eat you alive if they have ANY form of leech.
inanefedaykin
Diabloii.Net Member
Things that destroy shamans:
Leech
Good FHR
Teleport
Access to dwarf, rising sun or hotspurs
Blocking
Shamans have low damage, timered and hard to aim spells. All they really have going for them is a bear, which rocks. Basicly shamans give up the higher damage of a pure summon build for crappy spells.
Leech
Good FHR
Teleport
Access to dwarf, rising sun or hotspurs
Blocking
Shamans have low damage, timered and hard to aim spells. All they really have going for them is a bear, which rocks. Basicly shamans give up the higher damage of a pure summon build for crappy spells.
narblmyharbl
Banned
These forums are not the place to ask questions about a shaman. If you haven't noticed, 95% of posts relating to shaman druids and questions or guides about them, have been deleted and banned.
I have absolutely no problems killing any "Melee class with leech" or "pally/barb/shapeshiftR ww asn"s. The naysayers are all people who have neither seen nor built one, so I'd more advise you to ask questions of the people who have.
I personally have a shaman on east, level 91 named Pedobear, if you ever see me in dueling games.
The main thing to note is; shamans have a very steep learning curve. The dueling style is radically different from other pvp chars, with unorthodox strategies like the bear-drivebys and volcano/bear combo hit. To newcomers, it proves incredibly difficult to master; I once let a friend of mine use my shaman, and he managed to lose 0-5 to a tal's lightning sorc that I had been killing in 1 hit. Its not a case of getting the top-end gear, but rather of learning to use it.
Again, the only people arguing AGAINST shamans, are people who have neither played nor seen one. Don't listen to them.
I have absolutely no problems killing any "Melee class with leech" or "pally/barb/shapeshiftR ww asn"s. The naysayers are all people who have neither seen nor built one, so I'd more advise you to ask questions of the people who have.
I personally have a shaman on east, level 91 named Pedobear, if you ever see me in dueling games.
The main thing to note is; shamans have a very steep learning curve. The dueling style is radically different from other pvp chars, with unorthodox strategies like the bear-drivebys and volcano/bear combo hit. To newcomers, it proves incredibly difficult to master; I once let a friend of mine use my shaman, and he managed to lose 0-5 to a tal's lightning sorc that I had been killing in 1 hit. Its not a case of getting the top-end gear, but rather of learning to use it.
Thats incredibly naive. The only time anyone can leech off my bear is any time they would otherwise have hit me with an attack. If people could hit me with attacks that easily, I'd be dead. People don't leech off my bear. Its that simple. Nextly, FHR is not too important to the shamans target, nor FBR. Provided they have over ~3k HP, theres no way a volcano is going to put them into FHR anyway. The point is, blocking actually works AGAINST the target of a volcano. As soon as I volcano someone with 75% blocking, they are instantly thrown into blocking animation, interrupting their teleport. Furthermore, since you can only block once every 10 frames, it gives my bear an instant and free hit on them.
Again, the only people arguing AGAINST shamans, are people who have neither played nor seen one. Don't listen to them.
You're very naive. Again, I have an open challenge to ANY dueler on east, even your favored pure summoners. People like you say "zomg, your build doesnt work" on a forum, but ingame I'm slaughtering people left and right. How am I supposed to react to that?
inanefedaykin
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I rape pubs too, bud. It doesn't mean a damn thing.
Cppo-The-Wild
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shaman's do surprisingly well in publics. if you duel there build one and have fun.
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Narcotic
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It would take a lot of skill and patience to compete against cookie cutters, even more so than pure fire.
Honestly, I see little advantage in shaman over pure fire and even see many disadvantages.
Pure fire has the capability to take on almost all cookie cutters and will be a lot easier to play than a shaman.
If you have any questions about fire druids LMK, I have been dueling with mine for a few months and I can sweep the pubbies, and usually receive many compliments in the process.
And, yes, a few people in this thread greatly underestimate volcano. Mine isn't fully synergied yet and it still annihilates the competition. Couple that with maxed fissure for Paladins and Barbs, and you have one powerful character.
Honestly, I see little advantage in shaman over pure fire and even see many disadvantages.
Pure fire has the capability to take on almost all cookie cutters and will be a lot easier to play than a shaman.
If you have any questions about fire druids LMK, I have been dueling with mine for a few months and I can sweep the pubbies, and usually receive many compliments in the process.
And, yes, a few people in this thread greatly underestimate volcano. Mine isn't fully synergied yet and it still annihilates the competition. Couple that with maxed fissure for Paladins and Barbs, and you have one powerful character.
slothkin
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im gonna have to agree with narcotic. Fire druids are very strong unless someone fully sorbs fire. even then the only advantage a shaman would have over a fire druid would be the bear that is very hard to land hits with.
If someone wants to prove me wrong pm me and we'll set up a dizuel
If someone wants to prove me wrong pm me and we'll set up a dizuel
HelloWorld
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Thats precisely the point. The only advantage that a shaman has over a fire druid is the bear, which is hard for the inexperienced to hit with. However, when you are good at it, you will realize that hitting people with your bear is more powerful then any fire attack. Everyone, especially on this forum, underestimates the power of a teleporting grizzly. I advise looking into some of Jary's pvp videos to understand the extreme power behind 7500+ damage on wheels.
After dueling with a shaman for years, I can easily say that grizzly is the strongest and most important attack. None of the fire skills comes close in power, even on pure fire druids. I agree pure fire druids are a very strong build, much more then they are appreciated as, but a shaman is a step above. If you don't believe me, which you don't, I advise looking into some of the works of Flames, aka Earth_Bday, who was the #1 shaman while he was around, and wrote a better guide then mine upon it.
I reiterate; a shaman is a very powerful dueling class, easily more versatile then any other build except perhaps a ghostsin, and played properly should win every duel. Theres just a steep learning curve, and very few people will find it suitable for themselves.
If you're on east, I'm happy to demonstrate; Pedobear (*clan-iraq) @ e/s/l
After dueling with a shaman for years, I can easily say that grizzly is the strongest and most important attack. None of the fire skills comes close in power, even on pure fire druids. I agree pure fire druids are a very strong build, much more then they are appreciated as, but a shaman is a step above. If you don't believe me, which you don't, I advise looking into some of the works of Flames, aka Earth_Bday, who was the #1 shaman while he was around, and wrote a better guide then mine upon it.
I reiterate; a shaman is a very powerful dueling class, easily more versatile then any other build except perhaps a ghostsin, and played properly should win every duel. Theres just a steep learning curve, and very few people will find it suitable for themselves.
If you're on east, I'm happy to demonstrate; Pedobear (*clan-iraq) @ e/s/l
Narcotic
Banned
Do you have any links to videos or anything?
How did you get banned already? lol
Does the pvp penalty apply to bears? If so then that 7500 turns into 1250 base, then 625 after DR, then even less after def, and it is also easily blocked. Bears also do not attack right when you tele onto someone, the pvp penalty is not applied to them (enemy chars do full damage to your minions, thats why mercs suck), and they have the worst hit recovery speed.
How did you get banned already? lol
Does the pvp penalty apply to bears? If so then that 7500 turns into 1250 base, then 625 after DR, then even less after def, and it is also easily blocked. Bears also do not attack right when you tele onto someone, the pvp penalty is not applied to them (enemy chars do full damage to your minions, thats why mercs suck), and they have the worst hit recovery speed.
slothkin
Diabloii.Net Member
pvp penalty is much less for summons i think bear does half its listed damage which is what makes it strong. However it is extremely difficult to get the bear to land a hit even when you do spam shockwave. Grizzly is a strong skill but fissure and even geddon are easier to land hits with and still cause good damage unless of course u get sorbed to hell.
Verashiden
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PvP Summon penalty is 1/2 whereas PvP penalty is normally 1/6.
Also, my questions is this: How does this build counter, oh, say 10 second MB? Just resummon bear? I've pissed countless Bear users *coughpussydisgracetoDruidstownhuggers* by simply MBing the Bear once, then when they resummon I do it again. You'll run out of mana long before I do.
Also, my questions is this: How does this build counter, oh, say 10 second MB? Just resummon bear? I've pissed countless Bear users *coughpussydisgracetoDruidstownhuggers* by simply MBing the Bear once, then when they resummon I do it again. You'll run out of mana long before I do.
